Adding Colors and Markings to Breeds

@Champagne : the only problem is that for breeds like Trakehner the breed standards allow 'bay, gray, chestnut and black' (or at least state they are the most common colours) however they don't specify dark bay, liver chestnut, seal brown etc. (as often seal brown is called dark bay) yet horses of those colours are still accepted to the breed registries. 

for example, Lions-Club was a registered and approved Trakehner stallion (all breed pedigree lists him as dark chestnut) was liver chestnut, Larissa was a liver chestnut, Fountainbleu was a dark bay, as was Ruprecht, this site lists a lot of famous Trakehners, and you can see them clearly presenting as dark bay/seal brown and liver chestnut - despite being listed as bay or chestnut. 

Appaloosas:
I probably already brought it up before...but I'd love to see snowflakes and varnish roans back..( much more realistic coat patterns than the overo, tobiano, splash and sabino..) In RL...Appaloosas would not be registerable with any of those coat patterns..Id gladly give them up for snowflake and varnish roan ( instead of the few spots)...

I know you mentioned you couldnt really do much about the colours/patterns already in the game ...( ie overo, tobiano, splash, sabino appy patterns...) but just whisperin a little little wish...lol

( whispers) snowflakes and varnish roans...( mottled skin would be nice too..especially on the muzzles) ;)


...goes back to her corner...*smiles*

Windspun, I'm pretty sure Appies already have Varnish Roan, which is displayed by and LP gene with recessive pattern genes as seen in Cassandra!

^
I also have some varnish roan babies

D'oh!! I meant the varnish markings more dominant on the face/legs....like the old ev artwork..

ie.

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Last edited on 2017-07-06 at 11:25:07 by DREAMFINDER FARMS

Breed: Trakehner
Color: Brown, Blood Bay, Liver Chestnut, Seal Brown, Grey with Dapples
Marking: Sooty? Anyone something found?
Proof it exists on purebred horses of that breed: http://americantrakehner.com/trakehners/breedinggoal.asp /
Is it disputed by a reputable source? No

Breed: Quarter Horse
Color: Brown
Marking: Sooty / Belly Spots (Sabino Gene)
Proof it exists on purebred horses of that breed: http://www.grullablue.com/colors/qhcolors.htm / http://rcquarterhorses.weebly.com/four-time-poco.html
Is it disputed by a reputable source? No

Ditto about Russian Dreams comment on Trakehners!!

Thank you, Lúcra!:)

Breed: Akhal Teke
Color: Dark Bay, Light Bay, Golden Buckskin, Dark Buckskin (darker Sooty), Golden Chestnut, Liver Chestnut, Grey with Dapples, Blood Bay, Dunskin
Marking: Belly Spots (Sabino Gene)/ Flaxen, Blue Eyes
Proof it exists on purebred horses of that breed: http://www.akhal-teke.org/horse-color.html /  https://books.google.de/books?id=myQBSVVEhagC&pg=PA142&lpg=PA142&dq=akhal+teke+dunskin&source=bl&ots=LAtW_F8XHr&sig=auGv8KRwADCzF0AzXaj7LLQhO8E&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZo-XIyfnUAhUNK1AKHUXcAY0Q6AEIXTAJ#v=onepage&q=akhal%20teke%20dunskin&f=false --- Offical Breed Standarts!
Is it disputed by a reputable source? No

Can we try to keep this topic to colours that already exist in the game, but may be missing from certain breeds?

Dark Bay, Light Bay, Golden Buckskin, different variations of gray, Brindle, Liver Chestnut..

We have none of these currently.  I first want to fill the gaps that exist where some breeds are missing colors that other breeds have.

Just thought I'd put together a bit of a summary of everything that's been suggested in this topic so far. I'm not including suggestions for genes that don't exist in game (e.g. brindle, mushroom).

Colour-coding is based on my own assessment of how plausible it is that the gene actually exists in the specified breed, based on the provided evidence. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Hopefully this should help people determine if something's already been suggested, or if they need to provide further evidence of something. See the relevant posts for the exact evidence provided.

Green = evidence showing it exists is very strong, so it should probably be added.
Blue =  evidence for it seems good, but could do with getting more/better evidence before deciding it should be added.
Red = either no evidence has yet been provided, or what was provided is disputed. Should not consider adding it unless better evidence is found.
Grey = has now been added to the game.

Akhal-Teke
Flaxen - no clear evidence provided, probably a palomino instead
Dun - no evidence provided

Andalusian
Sooty - seems plausible, more research needed
Sabino - no clear evidence provided

Arabian
Dominant white - confirmed to exist, however they do not have Sabino1 (which they do have in game). EV has just mislabelled the genes behind this marking as Sb, when it should be one or more types of W.
Seal brown - not impossible, but could be sooty bay instead
Sooty - seems plausible, more research needed
Cream dilutes - definitely not present. Dilutes are not true cream, but light shades of chestnut/bay. Other palomino/buckskin examples given were half-arabians.
Dun dilutes - no clear evidence provided. All example horses were half-arabians.

Clydesdale
Seal brown - seems plausible, more research needed
Roan - a roaning pattern exists, but this is not true roan.
Pangare - no clear evidence provided
Sooty - seems plausible, more research needed

Dutch Warmblood
Cream dilutes - confirmed to exist

Gypsy Vanner
Leopard - confirmed to exist
Silver - added!
Sooty - confirmed to exist

Morgan
Overo - confirmed to exist, very rare
Splashed White - confirmed to exist, rare-ish, usually very minimal markings
Sabino - probably not present. No morgan has returned a positive test for Sabino 1. Everything labelled sabino just has socks and blazes, so doesn't even look like Sabino 1. Probably a different gene, like W20, or SW1, or something unknown.
Seal brown - seems plausible, but could be dark/sooty bays instead
Rabicano - confirmed to exist, rare
Roan - confirmed to exist, might have gone extinct

Mustang
Leopard - confirmed to exist

Quarter Horse
Sooty - confirmed to exist

Tennessee Walking Horse
Sooty - seems plausible, more evidence needed?
Seal brown - seems plausible, but could be sooty instead

Thoroughbred
Sooty - confirmed to exist
Flaxen - confirmed to exist
Seal brown - no clear evidence provided. Could be dark bay or sooty bay or fading black instead.

Trakehner
Sooty - seems plausible, more evidence needed?
Seal brown - seems plausible, more evidence needed?
Splash - confirmed to exist

Welsh Pony
Seal brown - confirmed to exist

Other
We are missing appropriate art for CrCr Ch- and CrCr Ch- D- gene combinations on any breeds that have those gene combinations. These currently use the phenotype names and images for Crcr Ch- and Crcr Ch- D-, respectively.

On Morgans and Sabino:   http://www.candomorgans.com/stallions.html

Breed:thoroughbred 
Color: liver chestnut
Marking: flaxen and roan
Proof it exists on purebred horses of that breed: all over the internet
Is it disputed by a reputable source? No

Lizzie, roan does not exist in Thoroughbreds outside of a freak family. The Jockey Club uses the term 'roan' to register chestnuts going grey. Extreme rabicanos may also be misconstrued as roan.


If I may expand on Ulysses c:

Anything about sooty is pure speculation regarding genetic factors. Not much research has gone into it. As far as anybody knows, any color of any breed has the potential to be sooty.

Any breed that has bay can also have the seal brown phenotype. The agouti gene has been completely mapped - A and a. Seal brown is just a dark shade of bay, genetically speaking. Possible genetic factors outside of agouti in the shade differences are being researched by either UC Davis or Animal Genetics at this time (I can never remember which).


Akhal - no dun, they use that word to describe their buckskins.

Andalusian - sabino no, unknown sabino-like pattern possible.

Arabian - white spotting (dominant white, family specific) yes, sabino no, cream no, dun no (nd1 and nd2 yes).

Clydesdale - roan no, roan-like ticking caused by an unknown sabino-like white pattern.

Morgan - probable unknown sabino-like pattern

Please delete! :-)

Last edited on 2018-02-23 at 12:31:50 by Caddy

^Caddy, this thread is for adding new colors and markings to breeds, not anything else :)