A little confused? [issue w/ auto-show?]

I am, least was, having similar issues with my foundies, who almost all have less than 60 non spec stats. They are all level 5 training with 5/5 tack, and even at the top of their levels, they only randomly place instead of consistently showing well. I have locked them until the showing kinks get ironed out. So frustrating to throw away money on shows and get nothing back. When you can't even break even, I mean, what's up with that?

So frustrated with the new show tweak. My foundies with under 55 non specs seem to be even LESS competitive than they were before.   >.<

Last edited on 2018-05-04 at 22:07:06 by ᏋᏉᏋᏒᎷᎧᏒᏋ

^{Honestly don't think placings would be related to handshowing vs autoshow. Results don't get judged until the show runs, so mode of entry doesn't seem like it'd affect it. It's probably just more noticeable with auto because not a lot of people hand show, so you're more likely to end up in more competitive shows.} 

@ maple you could be right (still gonna try to test it this weekend). In 7/10 shows for c. tea I know that they ran with 7 horses and 3/10 ran with 10+ horses (he won every show). For g. gold he ran in only shows with 10+ horses and placed 9th or worse. The differences in their results truly startled me (I was convinced that auto-show vs hand-showing would have no impact on how they placed). I'm still not convinced it's the cause (which is why I want to run a larger group of horses with stats that are closer and that are entered into shows with a similar number of competitors). 

My babies killed it today. If I remember correctly, all but two won 10/10 and two won 9/10. 
From what I noticed, my horses seem to do better if I handpick the shows. I only use auto-show (with low entries) if all shows have 0 entries. I make sure that I don't enter more than 3 horses per a show. Also, I tried my best to spread them out so that's way each horse will compete against various of horses. In past, I would enter three same horses in same shows so those three horses always have to compete against each other in addition to other entries. My horses didn't do very well when I do that so I decided to spread them out and it seem to work better so far.

Okay, so I showed one of my mares who was at 648 stats upon entering. She has 56 non spec, training level 5, and 5/5 full tack set. Yet the horse that won has 62 no spec, training level 1, also has 5/5 tack. 

Just an observation I made when I looked at it today. 

I guess I do not understand why my horses are doing so poorly. 

oi wonder if there’s any chance abby will let us know what the tweak was. that way at least we’ll be able to have a rough idea of how good at showing a horse will be. those closest to foundation levels seem to be doing the best, but not always. 

I've had an improvement in showing results recently, but it's still very unpredictable as to which horses win which shows. I can't seem to figure out what makes one horse competitively better than another anymore. 

My horses have been doing amazing lately, to the point where its noticeable that there was indeed a tweak. Not that I'm complaining, but y'know.
Typically I make around 20k-30k per day from showing. However, two days ago I made 55k from showing, and yesterday I made 35k and I'm still getting wins from shows that are just now running.

I have no idea why you gys are doing so bad with showing but I might as well throw in what I'm doing, maybe it'll give a clue as to why I'm suddenly doing so well?

- Hand Showing (I don't like auto-showing to begin with)
- Showing post-recode lines [ foundations too]
- Showing when my horses are in the top 50% of their show level, stat wise.
- 52-62 Non-spec stats
- Training level is NOT what is affecting their show placements
- 5/5 tack - dressage

I only show my horses when they are within 5 stats away from going up to the next level. Usually more like 2-3 away. 

I don't hand show. I honestly don't have the time or patience for it. 

All of my tack is always 5/5. 

Non specs range from 6 - 60 I have some pre-code lines but also post code and mostly foundations. 

So peculiar my horses won't do well at all. 

So I guess I'll do what RemRem did to help people see where I'm coming from on showing.

All foundation horses (excluding western regional, I have nearly 150 horses in that group lolz)
-Shown Daily
I go to the showing page, check out all the competitions available for that discipline and level at that time. 
-Using Auto-Show on Highest Entries I show my 3 horses closest to the next level.
--Then I Auto-Show on Lowest Entries filling up all the available shows with 0-3 entries to 5 entries each.
--Then I create enough shows to compete my remaining horses in shows up to 5 horses per show. 
Rinse and Repeat through all the grades and disciplines. 
-Horses have 45-65 non-spec
-Trained daily
-5/5 tack
This is something I started doing after I started having problems, since foundation horses seem to be doing so much better. 

Lined horses and all Regional Western horses: Before I started having issues this is what I did with all horses.
-Horses auto-shown on random after checking to see how many shows are available. 
-Shown when they are within 15 stats of their next showing level.
-Trained daily
-5/5 tack
-3-60 non-spec stats 

I show later in the day (since I have a full-time job). 

Ive been away for something like 3wks & I'm now confused also..... so, what makes a good show horse these days? 

Should I start stuffing my ponies random treats to bring up their low non spec stats?? From someone that didnt even breed deliberatly for low non specs as I had no idea this was even an issue til about a month ago - my horses just naturally got lower non specs as I bred each successive generation over the years keeping various Lines seperate from Foundations.

Im lazy & have a lot of ponies so use auto show & tbh if its an auto show problem its not overly fair to those players that pay actual RL money for credits to buy the auto show tool. 

@ Fabelhaft: I'm not sure what makes a good competition horse right now. I also have low non-spec by accident (I didn't intentionally breed for it before the recode).

I'm not sure if bringing up the non-spec stats would help right now (I have a lot of foundation stat-level horses that aren't competing well).

I'm still not sure about the difference between hand-showing and auto-showing, or if one actually exists; as I didn't have the energy to test it this weekend. I might test it tonight if I have the energy. 

the only advantage of handpicking shows is that you can select shows that have the lowest possible number of entries while still having the 5 entries necessary to gain stats. So by handpicking shows you’re assuring that your horses are competing against as few horses as possible, meaning that the odds of them winning (even without understanding the formula) is much higher. 

@ kahzie: I think I misspoke. I understand the difference between hand-showing and auto-showing and how hand-showing could/should be beneficial. However I haven't tested to see if there is something deeper (like a a possible coding error that is disadvantaging auto-showing over hand-showing) I still don't think there is a coding error in auto-showing, but I wonder enough that I want to test it out. 

I usually just go down the line of shows without care of how many are in the show or how much the entry fee is. Therefore, that advantage aspect of it does not apply to how much I'm winning. Not saying that you are implying that, just making a note for reference.