A little confused? [issue w/ auto-show?]

^{It does seem like training has a bit more weight to it than it used to from what's being posted, but I think it might just be a coincidence. The tweak posted was specifically that it took a small portion of ns stats to order winning horses, and it's not supposed to be advantageous enough to be worth raising ns stats. It's been in effect for about two weeks counting before the update notifying the change, so only results for the last two weeks are useful to look at. If it's a portion of the ns stats, I wonder if it's a % or a maximum amount, it makes sense for higher ns to win as they have a higher amount of stats that can be contributed to the results, but at the same time doesn't make sense if it's not supposed to be advantageous.} 

maybe Abbey is testing a new tweak which she hasn't mentioned yet which puts more weight onto training? which I wouldn't mind actually. 

The last example horse (snack food) I posted makes me wonder because it has non-spec stats which should be equivalent to a foundation horse, and I'm not sure how it lost to all of those foundies when it has so many more overall stats? the only difference I see is training level, and the fact that snack food is a lined horse being beat mostly by foundations which; is most likely not-related to the poor showing c:

Last edited on 2018-04-24 at 14:20:49 by insomniaglet

I am not sure about that. I have several horses who are on lv 5 for training and lost to horses with much less training (lv 2 or 1)... but it could be a fluke... I am not sure...

I checked through my horses and the change seems to have happened sometime on Sunday Evening. So Abbey's original tweak doesn't seem to be the cause of this issue I'm seeing. will edit the title of the forum. 

this mare was shown on Sunday and won 10/10 shows beating horses with much higher training level; then this horse competed in shows which auto-ran on Monday morning and didn't do very well in competition. (they have similar-ish non-spec stats) 

*edited with horses that are closer in stats but had the same results. 

Last edited on 2018-04-24 at 14:50:12 by insomniaglet

i think the tweak was meant to remove the disadvantage in showing caused inability to breed down non-disp stats by making non-disp stats count for something with the modified showing formula, presumably. 

however, that's not whats happening. The formula for winning shows has changed and because i don't know how long this issue will last, I'm going to be I'm going to be pulling all my show horses and holding off on doing any breedings. 

<sup>Abbey has a beta version of EV running for testing since last week, so I don't see why she would be adding another showing tweak or changing anything else on live before running it on beta first. 

I don't think we really have enough information on what exactly is happening when only a few of people seem to be having an issue. Since the tweak has been in place for almost three weeks now, it's hard to believe people are only just noticing a problem. 

Pulling horses from shows isn't really going to help figure out what's going on, whether it is working as intended or just a case of bad luck. I struggle to find competitors, so that might be why I haven't really noticed such a problem as I'm competing against myself 90% of the time. My horses are all the same training level/similar stats, not enough to influence the results strongly either way.</sup> 

I’ve shown other horses (both youngsters that just turned three and horses that I’ve had for long enough to be training level 5) and haven’t had an issue with competition. They’re all placing like I would expect them to. Some of my younger horses occasionally miss out on placing in one of their first shows, but I feel like that’s to be expected, the training level and luck factor is there, even if they’re 100 stats above their competition. I should mention that all of my older horses I’ve been showing recently are foundations I’ve raised myself, with foundation level nonspecs. I really don’t think the tweak has affected much in terms of how I play. 

If you want to look at horses of mine that have competed within the past week to compare and see what their competition looked like, if I remember correctly both Double Take and Sitting Pretty (Dutch Warmblood division) competed earlier this week. I have a mare called CN Dashingly Handsome locked in my babies division that competed today, not all her shows have finished as of this post but they should wrap up soon.

@ CNS I've not been having trouble with foundations; only lined horses (that I've noticed). Particularly on the day the turn three (which historically would be their best day of showing but isn't anymore, starting sometime on Sunday evening). 

And it's not only my horses with very low non-spec stats that are experiencing this. 

My horse Snack Food had 550+ stats yesterday and competed in L3 shows but didn't win a single show.
STR: 15 +36
SPD: 237 +111
AGI: 24 +36
INT: 258 +111
END: 20 +36
ALL: 554

He was beat in one competition by my horse better man
STR: 18 +26
SPD: 259 +101
AGI: 18 +26
INT: 202 +101
END: 17 +26
ALL: 514

Posting this made me realize that Snack Food has a glitchy tail gaurd? ... Most of my poorly competing horses have freaking glitchy tail guards or splint boots!!! I think this might be my problem agggh I knew I wasn't imagining things; I need to find all the glitchy equipment and remove it from my horses and report this problem to Abbey. 

Darn fixing the tack didn't solve the problem. So very confused about the cause of this issue. 

Last edited on 2018-04-26 at 05:05:47 by insomniaglet

 All of my lined horses the day they turn 3 have actually been doing really well. They are also 2nd gen, so their nonspecs aren’t especially low, either. It may just be bad luck - just like I’ve been having good luck lately, that could easily change arbitrarily and for no reason at all. All I can think of for young horses not winning is their training level and the luck factor being at play.

@ CNS

When did your last 3 yro lined horse compete? I'd love to see the results.

It could be back luck, but at this point it's nearly 20 horses. 

all my horses that struggled when they turned three
all are western quarter horses (I have a racing teke that turned three today so I'm interested in seeing his results)
passionate kisses
snack food
defense project
forest fire
macaroni yellow
atropos' heart
saving romance
twice twisted
loving hopelessly
gotham's finest
island residue
mountain honeybee
simply broken
flag burning
social stigma
cast your ballot
icy grave

Mine are doing well.

Racing/dressage 2nd gen under 6yo:
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=692984
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=692985
^^they hit 3yo today and shows didn't run yet, only one in which placed 1st and 2nd
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=691391
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=687637&page=1
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=690047
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=687636
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=690046
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=687637&page=1
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=688906
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=570778
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=570739
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=688694
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=692354

Foundations:
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=691390
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=570739
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=570778

Show jumping foundies:
http://www.equiverse.com/horse.php?id=753702
http://www.equiverse.com/horse.php?id=753480
http://www.equiverse.com/horse.php?id=738202

Older horses (dressage/racing/show jumping, all horses except first two are foundies):
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=540290&page=2
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=516353
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=593587
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=684796
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=581923
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=688904
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=565638
http://www.equiverse.com/show-results.php?hid=596768

Last edited on 2018-04-26 at 06:39:26 by Royal Storm

All of my horses are doing really well. Maybe you are just having a streak of really bad luck.

@insomniaglet

My last 3 year old to compete competed yesterday. For the most part, the horses I’ve been showing have all been show jumping horses, I’ve had a couple of dressage horses compete as well though and they seem  to be doing alright too.

A 3 year old that competed yesterday that I sold:
Poseidon
My most recent 3 year olds to finish competing:
Dashingly Handsome
Outlawed (competed about 4 days ago, now)
On The Moon (same as above)
Artistry (dressage horse, also competed a few days ago)
Edit: One Day At A Time (dressage, competed today and just won a bunch of his classes)

Horses that have competed recently that are older than 3:
Sitting Pretty
Double Take
Eyes of a Goddess
Personal Notebook
Alley Cat

I should also mention that I only show horses that are within 20-30 stats of hitting the level limit for their grade to ensure the most success possible.

Last edited on 2018-04-26 at 09:33:04 by Clover Note Stables

@ Royal Storm & CNS: Your horses look liked I'd expect mine to look (and how mine looked until Sunday evening/Monday morning) I've noticed all of your lined horses (younger than 4) are all post-recode lined horses. Do you have any examples of pre-recode lined horses (or pre-recode + post recode horses)? Just curious. 

I also only show horses that are within 10-20 stats of their next showing level, except with 3 yros because they normally have high enough stats that they are 1-3 grades higher than the grade they actually show in due to foal training. Also racing horses run daily as a personal experiment. 

Last edited on 2018-04-26 at 07:47:23 by insomniaglet

Not sure if I remember well, but mother of this mare is pre-recode, so my filly is mixed pre- and post recode.

I have some mixed andalusians but they had too little stats to show in their grade, I probably will start showing them tomorrow or Saturday, so if this happen I'll link you to their results :).