[ADDED] *Foal art

I'm kind of surprised this old suggestion is still being discussed :o
No matter what happens, once more players hit level 30 foal art will most likely come around since players will want to customize their horses.

Foal art will happen at some point, whether abbey decides to surprise us with it or via artists on here.

Last edited on 2016-07-17 at 11:42:46 by ξιίzα Ð

lol ξιίzα Ð, I had no idea how old this suggestion was. I just found it pop up and was like, "Yeah! Foal Art!". So it's been here for quite awhile? Guess some things still keep coming up.

Despite foal art being more expensive, discussing money still doesn't need to happen, nor a idea knocked down because of it. Because despite what suggestion is more expensive, if enough people want it and the owner of the game want it. It will be added. I do agree though, foal art will be more expensive then markings, but it also depends on the people if they rather put markings on a hold for foal art or not. Or hey, maybe in the future foal art will be produced. Because ideas can be put on hold.

And though people say just bring it up later when we have more money or something. There is plenty of people that sit there say when you bring this idea up at a later date. "This suggestion has already been suggested, Here and here." So, once its up for the first time, I guess you have to fight hard on it, or it will just disappear. Though I do agree with some of what you say, money still doesn't need to be discussed as it's not our problem, and this also goes for people saying "It's too hard to code." or something along those lines. It's none of our business what is too much money or too hard to code. Because Abbey will decide that if she likes a suggestion. All I really think she cares about is if people like the idea or not or if it is good enough to put in a game.

Okay, I think I ramble too much. lol. Either way, I do understand what your saying, you rather they work on markings and colours. So do I, I rather they do that then create foal art. But still, I like foal art and want that too. So I support to when the owner has time to put foal art in. So she knows that people agree with this idea. XD

Well, obviously there are some people who think money is relevant to the discussion. You can't just say it's not relevant when people are arguing that it is. That's not how debating works. Of course that's just your opinion, as this is mine, but shutting down a discussion on money doesn't help matters. I know that Abbey will make the final decision, but by discussing money and coding difficulties in the forums, we educate other people about what may or may not be feasible due to those two aspects, and I believe that those are important things to be educated on. The amount of money something costs will affect what suggestions will be wanted, as some people might want foal art while others would want, say, two features that could be added for the same cost as the foal art. It helps people decide which feature they would rather have. If we voice our support for one suggestion, then it can lower the chances of another suggestion being accepted.

But this is an argument that it seems neither of us is going to win, and this is hardly the place to discuss it (although I do believe that such a discussion would be better to have in public rather than private so that others may share their thoughts on it, if they so choose). Anyway, I think I've exhausted my thoughts on the matter. xD

There nothing wrong with debating things on the grounds of things like financial cost or coding complexity/effort. If the points are valid, it's worth mentioning. If the points aren't valid, they won't influence Abbey's decision, so what's the harm in mentioning anything you think may be relevant?

Would it be nice if we have this feature? I guess, sure.
Am I dying to have it for my foals? No, not really.

Let's help Abbey pay for a whole new set of breed art in all the complex colors, for foals, whom will only wear it for two weeks *sarcasm*

Still, money and coding should be left to the game owner as it's not our problem whether it's too much or too hard to do. I like this idea and I would love for it to be added some time. I think that a suggestion should be thought on the idea of it and if it's something you would like added, leave the money issues and coding complexity to Abbey.

A person should be asking themself "Do I want foal art?" And if yes, then you should support, if no then don't support if you rather not have it or don't like the idea. Leave the coding and money to Abby and maybe even the mods or others if they have a hand in that. Because if we knock back every idea because people thinks the coding will be too hard or it will cost too much then the game won't get anywhere. Of course, if Abbey does say it's not worth it then that's just fine. But lets not start knocking it back without thought... Unless it really is a bad idea because we have had those too. Lol

Of course it is relevant to discuss the cost of a feature. It tells Abbey "If I have $x to spend on the game, would people prefer that I spend it on expensive foal art, or on several cheaper features?"

Would foal art be cool? Sure, why not? Would I prefer that it be added in priority to several gameplay features that could be implemented for the same cost? No, definitely not. It's cool, but not that cool.

It's like a parent asking a kid what they want for Christmas, and the kid lists one very expensive thing and a ton of more affordable things - it would be useful information for the parent to know how important the expensive thing was compared to the cheaper things - if the kid prefers the cheaper things, the parents knows how best to spend their Christmas budget, and not to blow it on the expensive thing.

Abbey wants to build a game that gives the most bang for her buck. She asked for our input, and we're giving it to her. Sometimes that input is a little more complex than a straight "yes" or "no." That's why we are allowed to make comments rather than just vote. That's when we can weigh out pros and cons, make suggestions, and, yes, let her know how the suggestion ranks in importance to us.

I am mystified as to why you think this is inappropriate for us to discuss. No one is knocking things back without thought. At this point, I think this is what they call "beating a dead horse." I don't think that scolding people over and over again when they obviously don't agree is going to accomplish anything.

You say Abbey asks herself: "If I have $x to spend on the game, would people prefer that I spend it on expensive foal art, or on several cheaper features?"

This still had nothing to do with the discussion of money nor had anything to do with anyone but herself. It simply is her deciding where she would rather spend the money, and what people prefer have done or not. You people worry so much over money and coding that really is not your problem other then Abbey's. I'm not saying it's inappropriate or should never be spoken about ever, but that you guys worry over the wrong things too much.

It's when I see "Sorry, too much money, not worth it. No support." That ticks me off, because people already disagree with it because of that reason, and that reason only. It hasn't even started yet nor been looked into. Because you guys worry so much about money, that sentence up above is what I see everywhere. I mean, some don't even mention if they like or dislike the idea. How is Abbey suppose to decide what to add if she doesn't even know if people like a suggestion or not? Peole just believe money is the most important thing. You guys shouldn't worry about it, let Abbey decide if it's too much, don't not support something on just money or coding, but also on the idea and whether you want it or not.

I'm not saying don't speak about money or coding at all. Because, if it's that important, you can mention it or something. But don't let money or coding be the only reason you think nothing can get done. If you like an idea, support it, leave the money and coding issues with Abbey who will decide overall whether a suggestion should be done or not. I understand, money and coding is something people want to talk about with these suggestions, I'm not saying that is completely bad (Well not saying it now anyways), but some of you worry so much about that, an idea sometimes does not even get thought of.

But, hey. Whatever, talk about money and coding as the only issue. I was only stating my opinions, heaven forbid I offended someone. Wasn't like I was trying to attack anyone, but simply speaking my mind on something almost everyone does and has not thought about it. Sorry for causing trouble.

The people who are mentioning money are doing so because they have experience and knowledge of other games, and understand the drawbacks of certain things, and are communicating those drawbacks to others who may not understand. Who say, "yay! Foal art is cool! We should definitely do that ASAP!" without realizing that having foal art means not having other things that they may like even better. We're not doing it to inform Abbey. We're doing it to inform people who may think that foal art is a minor tweak when it is a major investment.

You think the idea has "not been thought of," but the fact is the idea has been played out in other games that we have experienced. We've already done our thinking in the past. We already know how foal art goes. It's cute, but to do it right is immensely expensive, and to do it wrong is counterproductive. I've seen games fold after implementing expensive changes that didn't end up improving game play.

The official vote at the top of the topic tells Abbey whether people really want it or not. The comments tell the people considering the suggestion whether it is viable or worth it or not. Because foal art is one of those things that looks all positive on the surface - who can argue with cute little foals? There's a reason why money is mentioned as the only real issue - because it almost the only con to cute foals (the other being that some people don't want to wait to see the adult.) And it's a big con. It's something people should take into consideration.

So yeah, I'm not in favor of foal art unless we really have money to burn and have already implemented all the good game play suggestions, and unless the art can really be done properly and be both accurate to the breed and attractive.

You may not be trying to attack anyone, but repeatedly insisting that you know better than others how they should approach an issue is never going to go over well. If you don't think money or coding is important, than don't mention it in your posts. You don't need to repeatedly scold or school other people. It really isn't your place.

If you think about it, it's like if a young woman is getting married, and her parents say they'll pay for the wedding, so they go dress shopping. The bride sees this amazing gown on display - it's exactly everything she dreamed of, and she wants it so much, but she has no clue what it costs. But her sister sees the price tag, and it's $10,000.

To say that money should not be mentioned - leave it up to Abbey, is like telling that sister that money shouldn't be mentioned - leave it up to the parents. If she knows it's that expensive and doesn't tell the bride, either the bride is going to get attached to that dress, and then get disappointed when she can't have it, or the parents are going to have to possibly put themselves in financial jeopardy to please their daughter, and, at the very least, there won't be much left for things like the venue, the flowers, and the food.

The only sensible thing for the bride's sister to do is to bring this to the bride's attention. Then the bride can say to her parents - I love this dress, but it seems too important. I don't want you to endanger yourselves financially to buy me this dress, and, besides, I'd rather have a cheaper dress and have money to spend on other things.

At that point, yes, it is up to the parents. Maybe they just won the lottery and can buy the dress no problem, unbeknownst to the daughters. But probably not.

We are no different than the bride's sister. We've seen the price tag on those foals that seem so desirable, and we're bringing that reality check to the conversation. Now, if Abbey has more funds than we know of and it isn't a big deal to her, great! But at least we can all be aware before we start wondering why we can't have this thing some people obviously want so much. We can be aware that we may have to make a choice between this, and other features.

In this case, the "dress" is really, really expensive. And we need to all be aware of it.

I know how suggestions work, and not once did I say foal art had to be done straight away. In fact I did say it could worked on any time. So the game could raise more money later in the game. I also never schooled nor scolded people other then stated MY opinion, which everyone says we are free to do. But now it seems to be a crime.

I still believe money and coding is not our problem, and if we were experienced, we would know that. Because people would look further into an idea instead of believing money and coding controls everything and if we don't have it, it can never be done. So, please stop accusing me, because you are. I stated opinions, said I was sorry because some people can't take it. And now leave it at that.

Back to the original suggestion before you guys hash it out further I will tweak my thinking a little. Foal art I guess essentially be nice, HOWEVER I myself would still like to wait until I turn level 30 so that I can create the lines/coloring/poses differently for each one.

Still No support.

There are still a handful of things I can think of that would be more beneficial to the game than foal art though.

You guys, there's no need to argue over money.

The suggestion forums are here to garner how much interest there is in certain features. If something that would cost me a lot of money is very high up, then I would make the decision on whether or not to add it.

I don't HAVE to add everything that is popular just because it's popular.

If you want to see something, support it. Leave the cost and logistics to me :)

I completely agree with you Abbey, thanks for settling in down for us. XD

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