Breeding For Specific Colors Question

Ok I have scanned all the Genetics pages I could find. There are some things I just can't confirm and need an expert.... When breeding for specifics without a existing trait.
Can a seal brown be produced from one bay and one black? Not Ata or other brown gene variations in parents..
Dun Does this come from breeding chestnut and black? No Dd or DD genes existing.
There is no way to breed a horse with Pangare, brown or wild bay without a existing gene? like there are no color lines that might carry it and it may just crop up from time to time (This may be a dumb question, sorry.)
How do you breed for frame variations? Like frame overo etc.
Tovero is gotten when you breed a sabino with a Tobiano right? Or is it a sabino tobiano with a tobiano?
Thanks!

I can't really help you much, but here's this:
no, tovero is overo and tobiano
and also no, I'm pretty sure that dun will not just pop up without at least one dun parent

Can a seal brown be produced from one bay and one black? Not Ata or other brown gene variations in parents..
As far as I can tell no, the Seal Brown Horses must have the At gene and no A gene so Ata or AtAt in order to be Seal Brown.

Dun Does this come from breeding chestnut and black? No Dd or DD genes existing.
No, the Horse must have a D gene to display as Dun.

There is no way to breed a horse with Pangare, brown or wild bay without a existing gene? like there are no color lines that might carry it and it may just crop up from time to time
As far as I know mutations to the genome are not in existence for EV. If your horses has a gene that neither of it's parents carried it's probably a bug and should be reported.

How do you breed for frame variations? Like frame overo etc.
Frame Overo and Frame Splash are produced via the O gene, and Sp in the case of Frame Splash.

Tovero is gotten when you breed a sabino with a Tobiano right? Or is it a sabino tobiano with a tobiano?
Tovero is a Tobanio and Overo horse, so a Horse with at least one T gene and one O gene.

Last edited on 2017-02-27 at 17:23:27 by Sabriel

Thank You all for your help! This is just very confusing for us newbies...

To add to one thing Sabriel said - if a horse has a gene that neither of its parents carried, it could be because someone used a credit item (like coat randomizer) on it.

"When breeding for specifics without a existing trait."
If by "without an existing trait" you mean neither parent has a dominant allele of the specific gene you want, it's not possible. For example, if you want a cremello but neither parent has a dominant cream allele, you're not going to get one.

Can a seal brown be produced from one bay and one black? Not Ata or other brown gene variations in parents.
At is required for seal brown in the game. A is dominant to At, so an AAt horse will be bay. AtAt and Ata (with EE or Ee) will be seal brown. Seal brown can be produced by a black + seal brown, bay (AAt or Aa) + seal brown, seal brown + seal brown, or red (AAt, Aa, AtAt, Ata, or aa) + seal brown.

Dun Does this come from breeding chestnut and black? No Dd or DD genes existing.
No. Dun comes from dun.

There is no way to breed a horse with Pangare, brown or wild bay without a existing gene? like there are no color lines that might carry it and it may just crop up from time to time.
No, you can't get a color if the dominant allele doesn't exist in the parents. Dominant alleles don't just pop up, with any gene or color.

How do you breed for frame variations? Like frame overo etc.
Breed a horse that has Oo. 50% chance you'll get frame.

Tovero is gotten when you breed a sabino with a Tobiano right? Or is it a sabino tobiano with a tobiano?
Tovero is tobiano + frame overo here. In real life, some things are different from the game - in this case, in real life "tovero" is an outdated term that means tobiano + any other white pattern that isn't tobiano (which includes at least 28 white patterns).

Genetics in this game are generally like real life, except for some minor differences that aren't quite caught up with geneticists and science.