Show System Discussion

For the first time in a long time, my showing income is a major loss. I used to earn a net profit from showing my horses. Today, it's a major loss. I spent 70k on a show and only earned 20k back. I will be monitoring my current 1st gen horses and see if it gets any better.

I am curious if anyone else is having the same problem.

For those who don't know where to find their showing profit/loss.

You can go to your bank and search those two sentences:

1. "Amount spent on show entry fees yesterday."
2. "Amount earned in shows yesterday."

If your #2 is higher than #1, it's a net profit. If your #2 is lower than #1, it's a net loss.

Last edited on 2023-06-10 at 13:09:25 by Lucia

That's not an accurate figure. It only shows the amount spent vs the amount from shows running between each progression. Looking at your horses it looks like not all of your entered shows from yesterday have run, so it will look a little lower than if they all had run. By contrast, by running today they will make your earnings look higher tomorrow. 

If you wanted a more accurate number you would have to no pending shows for a day, progress the next day and enter shows, and then not show for 1-2 days and total the numbers up over those days. 

Last edited on 2023-05-08 at 08:27:44 by maplɛ

Even with that, I almost always got profit even when some of my horses show haven't run. A few times, it's a loss but the loss is small and often turns out to be an actual profit.

I analyzed my remaining horses whose shows didn't run. It still will turn out to be a loss. The remaining horses most likely will earn me 20k max based. That will be 40k or less. Which means it is most likely to be a 30k loss or more.

Would you at least be breaking even with the numbers even if it's not as high a profit? I wonder if it might help with the gripe some people have had with money being too easy to obtain sometimes. * I misread I thought you meant you were usually making 70k profit not that you had spent 70k. How often do you show your horses? 

 I showed pretty late and progressed pretty early so I don't have a good reading on my numbers but I spent 22k and earned 38k on highest entry showing. So I'm definitely breaking even with continued showing. This is a mix of national, regional and local but mostly local horses that I'm showing. Since the novice band numbers didn't change they shouldn't be affected at all. 

Last edited on 2023-05-08 at 08:44:42 by maplɛ

I show my horses daily. However, the new change already forced me to show all of my horses regardless of their standings. I normally only show horses who are at the higher end of their grades. However, with the new ranges, it's much harder to check who is at the higher end. I can't check by a quick glance like I used to. I have to compare every single horse to the grade chart and I do not have time for that.

Plus the new changes meant there are more grades with a larger range. In the past, the regionals have 99 points range. Now, it's at L3. My horses usually slowed down at Regional and now, they will slow down at L3. So the new ranges kinda backfired on me since that means I will have more horses stuck at the lower end of the grade for longer than in the past.

In the past, on my lazy days, I would just show all of the horses. Those days, I usually break even or have a small loss. A major loss is a concern for me as it never happens to me in a long time. It will be interesting to see if more people will show their horses or not. If we have more entries, then the winning pots will be higher but if people don't show their horses then it will only screw me over.

That's why I said that I will continue to monitor my foundations for the next few months. I don't mind breaking even but if it's continuous to be a major loss, then I can't even survive. The first day of the new change, it's a major loss. Will things change over time? That depends on several factors. Will more people show their horses and help increase the winning pots or not? Will the new level changes help my horses to spread out better or not? Etc.

Last edited on 2023-05-08 at 08:54:42 by Lucia

I've recently begun showing my horses again, and I usually don't find enough shows for all of them so they compete against each other with no other competition, which guarantees me all of the prize money, regardless of the fact they are competing in the hunger games fashion most people tend to avoid. So I haven't noticed a whole lot of difference...

given the new system has barely been out for a couple days i'd assume the transition period would cause some weirdness, there's been a couple days where bigger stat ranges were competing against each other. i had done all my showing just before the update rolled out so a lot of my horses who were previously at the top of their grade now had to compete while being near the bottom. but that transition period should have passed by now i think? i'd be more worried if this was still happening a week or so down the line. not to mention throughout the past i regularly get profit loss days, but rolling over the next day i'll see that i have way more than my usual profit.



throwing this one in cause honestly i have no idea what happened this day lolll


i'm still adjusting to the new system and trying to track what happens to my earnings when i don't show horses based on grade. so far over the past 2 days i've only gotten $5-6k in profit per day but again, way too early for me to form a full opinion about this system just yet.

Last edited on 2023-05-08 at 10:04:14 by forgottenland

I'm not going to show my horses anymore. With levels ending at 49/99 it was reallly easy to tell when a horse was closer to the top or bottom of their grade. Now, it's too much effort to figure that out for the number of horses I have. Not trying to spend hours upon hours showing them. Oh well.

Why not try showing them without trying to get the top of the grade tiers? It can help but it's not a be all end all tactic to showing when the spendings/winnings averages out over a horses lifetime. You're far more likely to get more stats overall from showing than from the riding school if you are showing every day vs the select few days that horses are at the higher end of a grade. It seems to me if you're aiming for stat increases then the more shows the better?


I'm still bringing in a fair amount of profit, the change hasn't impacted anything winnings wise for me and it's more beneficial with horses now having more of their own grade to compete against vs being spread out in low population disciplines/tiers. 

I still seem to be making a decent profit from showing. I had to go back a few days to look as I haven't been showing daily lately. 

@ Wox, I definitely can understand you. Before the changes, all of my horses are spread out among the grades. I usually have 4 or fewer horses per grade level. Now, I have a bunch of horses in L4 and L5. It's taking them forever to get out of that level because the range is much larger than the original L4/L5 range. It's not easy to identify who is are the lower end of the grade or not so I can't just school the horses in the lower end like I usually do. Due to that, it has taken them much longer to earn enough stats to get out of that level. 

It's frustrating. It's like our complaints aren't being heard. It was a well-known complaint that a lot of us hate the large range in Regional+ levels.

i have mixed feelings about this.
the way i see it, it's basically a change that either hurts or does not affect the current state of each individual's gameplay while hopefully improving the long-term gameplay for all of us. it's difficult to see the potential improvements right away but the negatives are clear immediately.

so a few days after the update i took maple's suggestion to do showing the same way most people on EV do and not worry about horses being close to the end of grades. on one hand, it sure takes way less time to complete a day of showing than it did even before the update :p on the other hand, here's what my earnings look like before and after the update.
March 5th to March 20th
March 21st to April 4th
April 5th to April 21th
April 22nd to May 7th *update happened during this
May 8th to May 22nd

i marked where the update happened, since it was after my earnings and fees were already tallied up i'd still consider that day to be pre-update. i've also marked where i stopped checking grades and also days where i earned about 3-4 times as much as i spent in fees.
additionally you can see there are some days where my profit was extremely low or even negative but the next day i had extra profit. this is usually because sometimes i'll get my showing done too close to rollover for the actual profit to show up, so keep in mind that most of my really bad showing days are my own fault and you can see that they evened out on their own. c:

i'm not good at math and can't calculate this, so i'm sorry if this is this wrong but i really feel like im spending more and earning less now. before i was spending about $20k per day and often earning back twice as much as i spent. now it's about $25k-$30k in fees and while i'm still breaking even, i'm usually getting profits under $20k now. the one day that i did have a massive profit ($79k earned - $29k spent = $59k) was right after a day of negative profit so i don't know if that one even counts.

to be clear this isn't exactly because of the grade update, if i did this as an experiment before the update i think i'd have seen similar results.

i'm mainly torn about this because i guess it doesn't really affect me? i've got plenty in my bank already and i'm not trying to save up for anything or buy horses. i feel like complaining about less profit doesn't make sense if i'm already a fairly wealthy player. so it's not that i'm upset about earning less money, it's more about being forced off a playstyle where giving my horses individual attention would result in better rewards for my efforts. and it's probably affecting other players too but i'm not sure whether it's a large part of the playerbase or only several others who like to watch stats the same way i did. i just don't really know how to feel.

also, in the past during discussions about changes to EV the issue of how people would react to major changes has been talked about a lot. some of us have said we'd prefer compromising and easing into changes to not drive away players who are comfortable with the current systems. others have said that it doesn't matter whether major changes cause people to leave, if the change is for the better and improves things for the larger part of the playerbase then everyone who dislikes the changes will just have to deal with it. personally i'd prefer the former but i understand it's easier said than done to please everyone, and either way i just would like to see EV improve more and more. so i think just because these changes are making gameplay worse for me it doesn't automatically mean it's actually made the game worse, if it's improved the experience for the greater part of the playerbase i can probably live with it. but since i don't know if it even has improved things yet i guess i'm on standby lol.

as a side note, i'm not really sure how showing/no schooling would result in higher stat gain than alternating showing and schooling, if my horse has no chance of gaining stats from today's shows (either by being at the start of their grade or because the show is absolutely not going to reach 5 or more horses by the time it runs) then doesn't sending them to school at least give a better chance of gaining stats? schooling's not guaranteed to give stats sure, but if i send my horses to empty shows that's literally throwing away any chance of stat gain that day. either way i can't really tell if my horses are feeling stalled in their grade progression just yet.

sorry for writing yet another essay, if it feels like i'm clogging up the thread i can move this to its own topic! ^^ would also not mind if someone with better math skills took a shot at my earnings to see whether i'm worrying over nothing lol.

I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on the update itself, but in case it might benefit anyone else, I added the max number of each bracket to each of my horse's names (I.e. Cold Brew [330]). It was a bit of a chore on it's own, but it's allowed me to continue schooling/showing with relative ease until I get used to the new numbers. 

I feel like a better solution would have to been to add in more levels, like Novice 1-9, Local 1-9, Regional 1-9, etc... than how it was done...changing upper levels to spread out more and have less of a gap between them.