Show System Discussion

Olympea, I agree. 
From what I see, changing the grade ranges makes no difference other than making our life harder. We may as well just leave the original ranges alone and simply add a cap.

I assume adding more levels idea is ditched because it required more work as it means that the dev need to code in more levels and their ranges, add new levels to view horses, showing, etc. The current "solution" only required to make a change in the range of the original codes. 

Last edited on 2023-06-10 at 11:13:46 by Lucia

It has been a month since the new update. 

I am curious to hear about other players' experiences.

With new levels, I noticed that my horses struggle to advance. I have an 8-year-old, Majella, that still has stats below 300 despite being shown daily. Her partner, Cathaoir, just reached 310 stats. Normally, my 8-year-old horses would have stats in the 400s-500s. It's harder for me to measure the older horses' stats progression since they are being shown under the old system longer than the new ones. However, it's very unusual for me to have 19/18 years old (breeding age) with stats below 800 like Romulus and Waldemar. Their partners, Viorela and Ásta, barely made it to the 800s as well. Before the change, Viorela and Ásta were projected to have final stats over 1000s (and possibly in the 1100s) and that isn't happening now.

My horses are losing more often and took much longer to advance to the next grade. An example of this: Salvatore's Show Results - ouch. He only won once within 9 days. You can see his old results if you go to the 5th and 6th pages. As you can see, he is usually placed almost daily even if it's on his bad days. He went from winning at least one show every 1-2 days to once in 9 days. 

Another example is Romulus. If you take a look at his results from pages 1 to 4, you will see that he's barely winning anything since he entered L4. Compared to his old results from pages 5+, he used to win more often. He never was a good show horse when compared to his partner but he won more often in the past than now.

Salvatore and Romulus aren't the only ones who are losing all the time. I am losing so much of money due to them losing all the time. Those horses are turning into a money sink instead of a good investment. I find myself wondering what's the point of the game. I am getting nowhere. I am no longer earning enough profits to afford to spend money on more horses, stable expansions, credits, etc. A few purchases immediately put me at Net Loss. I am lucky that I am sitting on 6 million as a cushion but what about those who don't have that much money?

The lack of progression hurts, man... I can't wait for my 1st gen to finally retire so I can switch to riding school full-time with my 2nd gen. I am tempted to just give up and ride school my 1st gen horses...

Last edited on 2023-06-10 at 13:24:07 by Lucia

same, I think we ought to go back to the old system mostly but keep the wider I1-5 levels, but it takes so long to get anywhere now.

It's frustrating to hear that I am not the only one who experience this. I am curious about the remaining players. If the majority are suffering, then maybe we can return to the old system and modify it another way.

Well, I caved in and schooled my horses today. 
I earned $27k in a single day from schooling my horses. All of my horses earned stats today and some treats as a bonus.

I definitely will return to riding school now. I may alternate between showing and schooling but honestly, I am not sure if I will return to showing again... The benefits of schooling outweigh the benefits (more of a lack of benefits) of showing.

It's sad that riding school had become superior to showing now. 

I think the era of showing the horses are over for me.

Last edited on 2023-06-11 at 11:11:21 by Lucia

My luck with showing has gone from bad to worse.  Having a lot of the same experiences with seeing my former winners now struggling to win at all.  Losing money consistently every time on entries.  I may have to start schooling instead as well.

i'm so confused since my main account is still profiting but my side account is doing horribly. losses ever since the change with only a few days of minor profit... i really can't understand what i'm doing wrong over there.

one thought i had was that maybe this started because we suddenly have too many horses in the same grade, but i always check that 3 or less of my horses are competing against each other so that shouldn't be a problem.

the other issue i can think of is, ever since the change made it difficult to study shows before entering i now almost always use the "soonest" option on auto-show. before i would use it often but i'd still use all the other options a lot depending on where i wanted to place my horses. but since that's too time consuming i'm just sending my horses to whichever shows are running the soonest. so maybe a lot of my shows are running before enough entries can be filled in? if that's really it then maybe a "latest" option would help since otherwise i'll have to do most of my showing by hand to ensure my horses have the best chance at having decent competition. using "most entries" just clutters all my horses together so i can't use that either.

i'll probably switch to schooling on my side account until i figure what's happening, it's not a good use of my time to show all these horses, spend $35k in fees, only to get a couple thousand in profit at best.

i am also curious how the rest of the active playerbase is doing. i feel like people may be less inclined to say something if they don't notice anything wrong with their earnings but i'd like to hear it if anyone's having the same as usual or even profiting more after the change.

I stopped showing my horses before the show system changed simply because it was taking too long. Even before the change, if I didn't sort & only show horses in the top 50% of their grade range, I would lose money or make a very small profit. 

I currently have 424 adult Driving horses, and I make $125,928/day from doing Riding School with them all ($297/horse). I expect I'd lose even more money if I put them in shows now. 

It doesn't seem very balanced that riding school gives out essentially free money, while success in shows requires more effort (tack, breeding for low NSS, sorting, ensuring there's enough competitors in shows) but seems to be resulting in less profit. 

If you show 50 horses, spend 50k on entry fees, and earn 55k in winnings, that's 5k profit. But it's not as simple as that. The 5k profit needs to be considered in relation to Riding School - where those 50 horses would've earned 14.8k profit for arguably much less effort.

Some people might still want to do shows for less profit in exchange for more stats gained, but we don't seem to have the data yet to tell if shows are actually giving a notably larger amount of stats.

I'd be willing to go back to sorting horses to get more stats, but I can't do that if I'm losing lots of money - either in terms of an actual negative in shows, or potential lost income by not doing riding school.

Last edited on 2023-06-12 at 02:43:49 by Ж wox

I just show mine on random for same grades and highest entry for few grades and they do fine. I only riding school my sale horses (since I don't tack them) and a couple that don't have much competition so that covers any repair fees. I don't expect showing to make massive amounts of profit in short amount of time, especially when a pretty common complaint was too much inflation and money generated. It may be a case that riding school might also have to be cut down earnings wise if it's too much free money. Maybe we could break down what we are doing to try find the differences?

So far since the start of June I've made 154k profit, spent 638k and earned 792k. 

Showing was 487k earned and 433k spent so I don't think 54k is too bad for just over a week. I know it's not nearly as much as what it used to be. 

Incomes 
487k Showing my current group (mostly endurance which is pretty small)
60k ish from schooling sale horses and slot top ups
76k showing achievements
55k in show creation (kept forgetting)
12k training earnings
3k riding school cuts 
35k in brood fees
5k fountain wishing for horses
Own training arenas
No horse sales 
No credit sales 

Outgoings
433k Show fees 
15k Vet/Farrier staggered 
70k in treats (overbought)
16k in stud fees
23k tack repair 
No horse purchases 
No credit purchases 

All these are pretty much what I do on a monthly basis, I don't track anything or be really specific as imo the more the better in shows as it'll average out in the end, and also makes it more stable for other members if shows can get filled. I know basic members will have a higher outgoing due to training fees so I would be more curious about the difference that way and how to balance it out. 

There are other ways of making money on the game that can help with that? You don't have to solely make money from showing?

There's literally nothing else to earn money from except for showing (well, not now anymore) and riding school... 

The foundation and games barely give me something daily. I barely get income from my deluxe account since the showing system changed. I used to earn $10k-$30k daily from showing entry fees. Nobody boarded their horses at my stable and my training arena is barely used by the public. My daily interest only lasted a day due to showing fee expenses.

If I sell a horse, it will be a net loss as I spend more on the horse's expenses than the market value. I will be losing a breeding horse for my breeding program as well.

I am not going to resort to selling art or credits for a high price. 

EDIT:
We already lost Showing as our income. Now, you talk about possibly cutting down Riding school income. You're talking about cutting down our only source of reliable income. 

Last edited on 2023-06-12 at 05:45:59 by Lucia

The update has me concerned about the future of EV. I came back a few weeks ago following a 6+ month break and fortunately had enough horses on my show account to rearrange and still earn good money using the combo method despite the new range adjustment. But the overall showability of higher stat horses has definitely been impacted and horses that would have been consistent money makers this time last year might only get a couple weeks of winning opportunity and be relegated to riding school for the remaining 18 weeks of their life. It's obviously made a huge dent in the showing pool and now it's nearly impossible to show such horses even when they're nearing the end of their ranges simply because the shows aren't filling. It makes me sad to see it because EV is by far my favorite horse game. The market already seemed painfully small when I first started playing and I'd hate to see more players driven away.

Why, the income from riding is going to be reduced? If so, then the game becomes really pointless. I have a large herd that is almost never closed. I get 200+k a day from my herd, but I also spend a lot. I need to expand, spend money on horses, buy credits. It's a little tricky (because I spend a lot and uneconomically), but in general I don't complain. From the very beginning of the game, the competition system was difficult, incomprehensible and unfair for me. For example, I have never seen high conformation and low nss make sense (I breed them purely for fun, because there is nothing else to do in this game). But I took it for granted and do not consider competition as a source of profit. Well, I get a profit from them, but at best it is 1/3 of the daily income. But to cut the main source of income, before that, ruining the competition system is too much. This game has a dead trading system, no competitions, and no riding school? And how to play this game?
(By the way, where can we talk about the fact that no one will buy horses even for their cost, not to mention profit?)