How to price horses now?

Ello members! I have been away for quite some time. My old conformation herd is not doing so well in the nss area, even after I converted them each twice (and spent lots of credits). How does one go about pricing horses to sell these days? 
I bred this Appaloosa colt today Foolish Dazzler and here is his lineage/pedigree as well. It is very extensive.
A few years ago when I was playing more regularly I was selling horses for 700 stats at the 50K range. I am just not seeing that in the current market now. I just wanted to know if you all could make a suggestion at what I could price my colt at, or how you determine what you'll pay for a horse in today's market?

Thank you in advance!

I have been trying to price mine like 800stats is 40k but they arent selling. So i dont know what i am missing.

I do:

98 - 300 : $100 - $1500
400 - 600 : $2000 - $3000
700 - 900 : $4500 - $8000
1000 - 1500 : $9000 - $12000
1600 - 1800 : $13000 - $15000
1900 - 2200 : $16000 - $18000
2300 - 2700 : $19000 - $22000

Anything higher than 2800 can be $25000 - $30000, but usually I just do $15000 - $20000. Maybe even an added $2000 for any rare markings, patterns, or color.

Conformation doesn't matter that much for some people, but they do like lower nss, meaning NO cubes at all and fed treats in their specialty. 

Last edited on 2020-09-20 at 21:02:09 by яε∂ мσυηтαιη ғαямsтεα∂

How did the market crash so badly? 

Well to be honest, I guess now that there's more higher stats in horses, people don't really see a reason to have to price their horses as they did back then. Now, as I said before, their markings, color, and patterns with the added lower nss does add more onto the horses price. But I haven't really start playing daily until all this quarantine happened, so I have no clue on how things had been back then.

If that makes sense... Have an older member explain it . they'll probably do better. And plus, many people get money from doing art more than horse selling, so I think that adds onto the fact of lower horse prices.

I think it depends greatly on what you are selling and what kind of demand there is for that breed/discipline. Some people care about clean lines and some people don't. Some people want only short generation lined horses. I tend to sell my 2nd generation Gypsy Vanners anywhere from $50k to a little over $100k. The ones that carry cream or say silver obviously sell on the higher end of that. They all have 60 or less non specialty stats and majority have all goods in conformation. 

I don't think it crashed from a stat view. Stats became easier to get resulting in the old "high value" horses decreasing in value. You can get to a 1k stat horse now much more easily than you could in the old version. 

I sell my horses in the order of ns stats > overall stats > pedigree > conformation > colour. A foundation I might price at 10k at 10 years old with 500 stats, a long line of common horses with 48 ns at 25-35k or a 20ns horse with very rare ancestry for 50-75k depending on the other factors. It also depends on the popularity of the breed and the discipline you are doing. The highest I've sold a horse is a 6ns Teke for 250k for it's rare lines and ns below 30 is very rare, I've sold similar Andalusions for 150k each for their pedigree alone as they're so stat/confo inflated by the same lines.

Personally I wouldn't price that foal at anything more than 15k based on nss alone, possibly 25k for his colour/conformation. 

Last edited on 2020-09-21 at 04:57:10 by maplɛ

It's possible I'm setting a bad example here - majority of my horses are in very low demand due to their specialty/breed combination, so I sell only those which I don't really want due to their confo or when I need to reduce the herd. I'm not in bad place when it comes to funds and I ultimately care more about the fact that someone takes them off my hands and free space in my stables than that I get a good price for them. That's why if they're below 700 stats I usually put them up for sale for the price of tack or just a little more. If they're trained or won shows or have desirable genetics I may incease it by 2 - 6k. And even then, they rarely sell before few weeks of being put up for sale. If I were to sell a horse with very nice genetics, overall high confo or just very high stats, I'd have to think about a much higher price too.
With more popular breeds, I guess You need to experiment,  I feel that the most important thing are not stats, stats can be increased - but things that don't change - confo, NSS and genetics (sometimes lineage too, I don't like to have inbred or overbred horses in my horses' pedigree). Your horse has nice confo and lovely genetics, but not the absolute best nss in comparison to its stats. I'd put up a horse for sale in a price You feel is okay and if it doesn't sell drop it a little. It's a double cream with very high confo, so I'd say maybe 20-25K? Unfortunately with its NSS I don't think it'll sell for 50K at all.
Pretty much I feel that very low NSS is something which could easily make a horse worth 75k+. I know that if I spotted a horse with good lineage and very low nss in a proper spec and breed I could buy it for a very high price.

Last edited on 2020-09-22 at 02:18:43 by Thunder

After reading the replies this is the theory of selling im going to try and see how it goes.

Add a 0 onto overal stats (ie 500 stat would be 5k)
+5k per white Marking (tobiano, splash, sabino, overo, roan etc)
+5k per Cr / Ch / Ff gene
+1k over 70 Confo
+2k over 90 Confo
+5k over 98 Confo
+1k under 40 NSS
+2k under 30 NSS
+5k under 20 NSS
+10k under 10 NSS
-2k per Gg gene.
-3k over 150 NSS
-2k over 100 NSS
-1k over 50 NSS
-1k under 50 confo
Example: 500 overall stat, Palomino Tobiano with 55NSS with 67 confo would be - 14k

I just slap 30k on anything I'm selling :'D If it doesn't sell by age 10, I keep it for stud or brood with a 3k fee. But I'm too lazy to see if I could get more on the ones that go quickly for that price and to stubborn to lower on ones that don't sell :'D

As a long time player of the game, the current pricing of horses is a further study in frustration.

I've made a goal that no one else seems to share: breed for the WHOLE horse, stats, nss AND conformation! I have quite literally bred myself out of breeding partnerships with anybody else, because no one else have horses that meet *my* requirements. The game does not seem to value high conformation so few people work to improve it, especially since it is so difficult.

I can run a search of current horses for sale and find quite a few with higher stats then what I currently have (yes, a bit of envy here!), but the nss! (eeww) or the conformation! (gag) or the cubes! In my experience cubing gets you nowhere and has negative effects on future breedings. Few, if any, have better conformation than my lines, and that is the hardest to improve, so no, I won't buy anything less in conformation. >sigh< 

I for one, think that low nss should greatly increase a horses' price, it's beginning to become rather rare, especially nss under 50, let alone under 30! Few, if any, have less than 20 and those are all probably pre-recode. I've been working towards lowering my nss and am finally getting into mid-50s and now a few slightly less than 50.

At one time, the base price was based on custom horses from the EC (10K per 100 total stats) rather than foundation (1K per 100 total stats). Personally, I think adding 1K per nss below 60 (again, based on EC horses) should be a minimum, with a subtraction of 1K for every nss over 60. Additions for coat modifications (cream, dun, etc) should be included, and a subtraction for gray (since it's not all that popular) should be part of the formula.

Personally, and because it's so very hard to improve on, price increases for better conformation should also be included. This is a hard one, *I* value high conformation (mostly because it's part of the whole horse), but it's not needed to do well in showing, so few, if any, will put the same value I do on high conformation.

I am discouraged by all the *cheap* horses for sale, that only serves to further depress the market. 

Because I do not follow the "no more than 2 or 3 foals per horse" my horses usually fall into the "over bred" category, so my horses are not considered desirable. That's ok, that's the beauty of the game, everyone plays their own way. Rather than 'flood the market" I usually permanently retire the foals I do not retain. But when I do offer a foal, there is no way anyone is going to pay what *I* think they are worth, so I offer them at what *I* think if a fraction of their worth.

Forgive my snobbiness, but I think a foal with 4500+ total stats, nss of 50-65 and a conformation over 95 should be worth way more than 20-30K!

EDIT:
I would also substract at least 5K, more like 10K for cubes! But then, I really, really don't like them!

Last edited on 2020-10-11 at 15:16:08 by Rancho SoCal

So I'm coming back after realizing and seeing what some newer players or most players do. And some things that I used to do when I was a newer player, and currently do with two of my horses;

- First, usually some newer players go out and mass buy horses they see as pretty or have high stats. Now with that, they run out of money within a day or two. Currently the player doesn't have much money to go and buy treats to help with preferred specialty stats, so they go buy what seems to be a cheaper option; cubes or with they go with whatever treat they have on hand. Which raises nss and I don't think that they know that many players prefer low nss.

- Second, if the player has bought a horse as a foal they usually choose the completely opposite of what the horse had been bred to do. If they are above level 6, they cross-breed the specialties which also adds to the higher nss. They'll also go mass breeding and sell the foal for either higher then their worth or lower than their worth. What I've seen is that they breed from the day they turn 3 and continue. They also place the horse at stud and brood for low prices which then equals the horse having A TON of foals, mostly the stallions. 

- Third, this sorta adds onto the second part, all it is is that the player may convert the horse to a completely different specialty than what bred for. And to add more, with the cubes, they see that the higher the other stats are the better the horse will do in shows. Now, personally I've seen some horses with stats all over the place actually do good. But I see that on THIS FORM horses that have lower nss are starting to do better. 

Now for my own breedings, I am currently trying to do the same as Rancho. Mostly in my Andies and Clydes. Most of my Andies and Clydes have less than 30 in each nss, which is great and helps, while the other horses that have more than 31 in each nss have an X after their name(my QHs nor Trakes have that cause they have high nss). I'm trying to lower the nss in the QHs and Trakes, which is a little harder.

I do believe that a horse having maybe 5 or 6 foals, maybe up to 7 or 8, is completely fine. I want to breed my horses at around 14, 15, & 16 then wait till 18 and 19(aging tomorrow).

I currently have two of Rancho's horses and they, for some reason can't seem to beat THIS BOY. Now I haven't shown my horses this whole week, just schooling to gain stats, and also to help me gain more money lol, but even when I did they couldn't beat him.

*this last part went a little all over the place, oops. Sorry if it doesn't make sense.

**I also just noticed the price of cubes when up from when I joined. I sell them for $6 - $10 per use. Now it seems hay cubes go $400 for 10 uses and sugar cubes $200 per 10 uses.


Last edited on 2020-10-11 at 11:22:32 by ✞ 𝘋𝘦𝘮𝘰™

Coming from someone who has been away for like 4 years, it's absolutely mind blowing seeing horses in the 1,00-2,000 stat range. It's crazy how much things have changed over the years! 

Hi Alchemy,

If you think stats in the 1000-2000 range is nuts, check out the Hall of Fame and look all the Andies in the 5000-7000 range!

Hey Alchemy, i agree with you. I remember when i finally got my first twh to 1,000 stats and how proud i was but now it seems so small. :(