How low is low? NSS

When do people consider a horse low NSS?? is this just under the 75?

I have quite a few horses (precode) that have exceptional base stats and I gave them peppermints. I still have some quite a few under 50. Some of the really goods ones are around 10 (base stats of less than 10.) Not playing for a while my horses are quite lower stat wise all around. 

Where is the bar set for people breeding low NSS? 

If you are buying foundation horses for low NSS what number do you look for it to be under? I would like to see some 2nd generation herds too. 

I've seen the member group, but it really doesn't specify there.

Low really is very subjective! 60 is usually a common high limit for people in the "low" side as that's the average of a horse that has exactly even stats from the foundation store. 
Low nss horses for me would be with lower than 55-50 for foundations, and anything post recode, and if you've got extensive pre recode lines I think of low as anything with all the nss lower than 15, so 45 total. Obviously the single digits are better, but  until the recent change in nss breeding it was harder to keep up with if you're continually progressing your lines.

That said, I'll look at anything under 70 personally xD

Last edited on 2020-03-20 at 14:31:49 by Sabriel

I look for anything under 60 if it's foundation, but I consider under 40 as low, because it was what was normally considered pre-recode level.  Finding a horse under 20 is pretty rare, until the breeding down of nss begins to be more common since we have the ability to now.

Nittrous - What do you have going on with the NSS test herd? 


Has the breeding down of NSS just started? I've missed a lot of things. I haven't yet seen a foal with a lower base stat than the lowest of the sire/dam, but is this what it is supposed to mean? I've looked at the news post, but turns out I started back up again after it so I haven't seen the change. 

Is there more of a market for breeding or the selling of these NSS? 

Last edited on 2020-03-20 at 15:10:35 by Aprilis » 3

Aprilis - I had originally started it before the breeding of nss became something that could happen, in hopes of seeing if it was possible to do.  Now that we actually have the potential to breed down nss, I'm simply doing it to see if I can.  They're only quick breedings - let them get as many stats as I feel like, breed them at 3-5, keep the foal that drops in nss.  I figure a few generations in, if they drop low enough, I might fully raise them up and use them for studs/broods, or sell the foals off.  Paints had a bad problem with high nss, so in the beginning it was an idea to inject some good stock into the market.

As for the market - low nss horses can generally sell for higher, and will sell faster than most others.  It's because the lower nss stats a horse has, the better it does in shows, and the more money it can make over a lifetime over foundation level horses.

If I'm buying foundations straight for the EC or RC now, I personally go for ultra low--50 or less with no confo requirements; or 57 or less with all good or better confo scores. A "low" of 60 is pretty standard, I think, but I found more luck with 57 (avg 19 across all three nss) so lowered it for personal preference. 

If I'm buying lined or pre-recode foundation, I really want 45 or less. 

To me, 60 is average. The highest I will go with a foundation is 62 and the horse would have to have amazing conformation for that. I considering low to be 49 or less. If you are talking pre-code lines then under 40 total would be normal. Under 30 is what I would be looking for in very lined precode horses. 

I breed high stat Andalusians so i like to have the nss very low, i personally like it to be below 30, sometimes over will work too. 

Its kinda just whatever floats your boat :) 

When you say you like the NSS below 30, below 40, below 60... You mean all together or each one?

Altogether. So the three stats need to total less than X.

Some of you are picky picky. Haha


Sonoma and/or Olympea - You both have NSS and poor conformation marked. The NSS is pretty straight forward. I'm guessing the poor conformation horses will do slightly worse in shows or is it more than that? 

How come there isn't NSS in the horse search? Would that be a pain to code? 

Conformation actually has no current effect on shows, or anything else at the moment. there are no current firm plans about it, but there are a few suggestions  about it in the suggestions forum. 

I believe there's been suggestions about adding nss in various places, but I can't say anything about the difficulty of coding. I think it'd not work as well in search unless you had to have a discipline for it to be displayed, because foals and horses that don't have a discipline set could cause problems. That's not to say it couldn't happen in some way just that it might be slightly more complicated.

Sabriel said it all. Conformation is personal preference; and I think there are suggestions floating around the board for nss, but nothing firm.

i prefer NSS less than 54 regardless of generation. the lower the better though, and i'm very excited about this ability to breed down NSS stats. i'm starting a new line of foundies to do just that!