[ADDED] Silver art changes (mockups included)

Based on this topic, and some recent discussion in the latest listening session, I've come up with some mockups for proposed changes to how silver shows on the breed art. There were differences between both the foal and adult art, and a lack of differences between how silver shows on bay versus black horses. These proposed changes hopefully will address both.

This is based on current silver files, with no major reworking or any new art being commissioned - areas have simply been masked out or had their opacities adjusted and should look washed out with some silver in the hair and faint silver on the black parts of their body, without any dappling. Blacks look lightened up overall and have silver hair. At double dominance, ZZ, some more subtle dappling appears.

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Black silver

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Last edited on 2020-02-07 at 10:37:06 by River

Pretty, pretty, pretty!!!!! 😍

I'm not sure... the last ones look very much like gray to me....

If you go in the horse creator or wardrobe and look at one of the few horses that grays with dappling (Arabs are the only one I can think of), you'll see there's a marked difference. A greying horse has areas that are turning white, and the dapples themselves are very pronounced and bright. The overall contrast is much more intense.  

This is also just what can be done by only using the current files on hand right? If we wanted to go for the more chocolate colored coat then that may need completely new black Zz ZZ files?

I can add a colorizing layer that would make the black look more chocolate. Like this.

They look so beautiful! Though I like the version with the colorized layer, I much prefer the one in the first post. It really doesn't look like grey at all, and it's so shiny.

I also think the colorized layer is very pretty, but I really love the original one a lot. It has a beautiful sheen to it to me and seems very silvery overall.

 I'd definitely love to see them more "chocolaty"

Last edited on 2020-01-28 at 14:20:31 by ℒ🍓Lenka

We might need a vote on the chocolate versus non-chocolate looking black silvers, after the current poll has had enough votes. *thumbs up*

I am generally of the opinion that if it's worth doing, then it's worth doing right. I would not want to see one set of incorrect silver art just replaced with a different set of incorrect silver art.

Silver + bay is a bay coat with a silver effect on just the legs and tail, and strictly nothing everywhere else, while silver + black is an all-over silver effect. The silver effect also changes black coat hair to a chocolaty brown colour, rather than black with a whitish overlay. Anything other than this is just a pretty horse, but it's not silver.

The second set of mock-up art comes closest to true silver, although it still has too much white over the coat for my liking.

Can you do a colour adjustment to the silver layer to make it more light blonde than white? This could address the issue with the white-overlay look.

I'm not sure what you mean by second set. Do you mean the post with the brownish overlay on the horse? Or one of the specific genetic combos in the first post? I'm not following.

Do you mean more blond-tinted for the entire horse (which will look right on the bays, but I'm guessing is gonna way funky on the blacks), or do you mean blond-tint more for the mane/tail? I tried to base these colors on photos as best I could (without referencing any one specifically) so if the interpretation is off then that's my mistake. Part of the reason for making this post was to see what the right changes would be. It may not be that it will always make everyone happy but I mean to try my best to see if we can something more natural looking.

Pardon the double post. I'm still trying, please be patient with me.

I think what I'm hearing is more like this. Both of these have no silver overlay on the body, the hair on both has received a blondness treatment. The black has gotten a chocolate overlay (no silver spots on this one, I'm assuming this would be Zz and ZZ would have a few spots), the bay has gotten a faded cream overlay much like the hair (every photo I see of a silver bay horse is faded, not the strong bay). The only silver on the bay is on the legs and black bits on the face. Anything else that looks silver is caused by the shading on the bay base.




Last edited on 2020-02-05 at 14:05:28 by River

River, those are beautiful!! UlyssesBlue really made me curious so I looked at a lot of pictures and read descriptions too. Turns out what I thought a black silver looks like isn't right at all lol. 
I think these look especially great...and I love that the mane and tail have what I call cream/blonde highlights rather than very white. Although I read they can vary from cream all the way to quite silvery white. But I saw way more cream tones on the silver black horses.
So, not sure what everyone else will think but I love them!!

Your new mock-ups look gorgeous, River. And are pretty much exactly what I was thinking of. ♥

(By second set of mock-ups I was referring to your post #217865. Sorry for being unclear.)

The black-silver in your post #218100 is pretty much spot on. The bay-silver could be a bit more chocolaty on the legs though. Would it be easier to skip the silver effect on the legs completely? It's not a perfect solution, but it gets closer to true bay-silver than the white-overlay effect, since bay-silver is pretty subtle apart from the mane and tail.
I like the idea of these being Zz, while ZZ has some dapples.

By blonde-tinted I was mostly thinking of the dapples, which tend to be yellowish, not white. The mane and tail can be anything from blonde to white, so it's fine as either option, but I figured it might be easiest to apply a filter to the whole layer rather than just part of it. The colour adjustment you did to change it from white to blonde was perfect.

This is showing a lot of promise. :)