[ADDED] *Equine Center limit

I'm sure someone already posted it but I can't find this post anymore so I assume it was deleted.

Anyway, the idea is adding a weekly limit on Equine Center. This would be for example 10 horses, but it's something to discuss about (although I strongly believe this is an absolute maximum and I would prefer smaller number, like 6 or 8). The number of horses should be for sure even to give an opportunity to pair them. If it's too little for some of you, don't forget that there is always a way to lock horses til the herd will be that big as you want it to be. This should at least partly fix the market and boost horse sales, which we all struggling with waaay too much.

EDIT: Guys, if you don't support, discuss with us. The market problem has to be resolved, one way or the other, so! Give me your ideas if you don't want this.

Last edited on 2018-08-11 at 14:06:27 by River

Honestly, I am one that will want to start a new herd and go buy 300 horses from the EC to get what I want and discard of the rest. 

I still support this though and I agree that it will help the market a great deal. 

Well, I wish to do the same, cause I'm planning to get the herd of red friesians. But we have to choose between limited foundies and sold horses. I prefer to sell what I breed instead of keeping a mount of horses which frustrates me more than some limit on EC, when I can easily wait a bit and get the herd anyway.

Last edited on 2018-08-09 at 15:18:26 by Carin Ravensdale

I don't support. I don't think the problem is too many EC horses. I think the issue is that too many horses can be bred and are. And are usually not desirable for one reason or another, ergo, filling the market with horses that no one wants. I made a suggestion HERE that I feel like would be less... errr, controling? versus taking away/limiting player's ability to buy EC horses.

Also, it is just YOUR opinion that unlimited EC horses are the problem. Not fact.

I just went and bought probably 150 of the cheapest QH's for sale a couple days ago. Maybe 15 (?) were EC, the rest, 100 something, were player bred horses.


Last edited on 2018-08-11 at 04:15:24 by ᏋᏉᏋᏒᎷᎧᏒᏋ

I can't remember who mentioned it or where, but I agree that this is needed. When you can create an unlimited supply of horses it not only floods how many unwanted or unneeded horses there are (ie when players dump foundations that aren't up to their standards whether it be color or confo wise) but it also reduces the NEED to buy from other players. Why would I want to buy other horses from players when I can go create a brand new foundation horse (and KEEP creating them until I get something that matches my confo or ns stat standards), throw some marking and color randomizers or pickers on it, and raise it from there? There is truly no need for me to buy horses from other players because I can do this, and I'll admit that I am guilty of holding the market stagnant by not purchasing from other members because of it. I created an entire second set of foundation trakes and am raising them and waiting until they hit the same age as my currently locked herd of trakes so that the two herds can merge into one. However, had I not been able to go mass create all those horses at once, I would have almost been forced (but would have just chosen to) go hunt for those 12 trakehners that other players had for sale, which would've stimulated the market. 

I've seen an argument against this saying that players would just purchase EC slots off other members if they wanted to mass create foundation horses at once, but that is still stimulating a certain part of the market in itself. It creates a market for foundation horses, I know players used to raise "starter horses" which were essentially just foundation horses being raised until a new player came and bought them, but I think limiting how many horses you can create at the EC would bring that back as well. So whether a rise in foundation horses becomes wanted, or it stimulates a market just for EC slots, there are horses being sold from one player to another and the market is being brought back either way.

Would it be inconvenient to not be able to mass create a herd of foundation horses that are all bred by me at once? Yes. I like to have my player ID on all of the horses I use in my breeding programs because I like them all to be bred by me so I can show off my hard work, but if having to have someone else's player ID on my foundation horses is what stimulates the market, fine. If being limited on how many horses I can mass create at once and having to purchase EC slots off other members is what stimulates the market, fine. If not being able to have all same gen horses at once and having a few random horses bought off players to fill in the missing gaps is what stimulates the market, fine.

@wey, I think it was Andromeda. I liked her ideas.

Actually unlimited EC is a huge problem which destroys market. Wey explained it perfectly. People don't need other players cause they can easily make their own herd in a second. I do think this is the source of the problem.

we used to have 10 EC 'tokens' to use, and people would just ask others to create EC horses for them and sell them to them to make a profit. I think you could buy additional tokens for credits too.

It does still benefit anyone who has 2-3 accounts as well, as instead of having a 10 horse limit, someone with 3 accounts actually would have a 30 horse limit. 

I actually do buy in a lot of horses personally, I know a lot of people like to use only their own lines which is part of the problem more than an EC limit, imo. A lot of breeders only use their own horses and lineage which isn't necessarily a problem itself, but in not buying in horses from other lines it stagnates the market. If there was a way to encourage buying as well as limiting the amount of EC horses that can be created it may work better. Maybe the auction house could find a new use as there's currently no horses for auction, and a 'sales ring' that lists all horses for sale and can be searched by breed or price would be better. Or a new way for sales/auctions to work that encourages horses to go through auction.

I know with some breeds, a lot of the lines are similar and there's a lot of linebreeding/inbreeding.

Again, whilst some breeds I have I prefer to keep cleaner, in my warmbloods and TBs the linebreeding doesn't bother me as long as the immediate pedigree is relatively clean - a lot of TBs and warmbloods in real life have a lot of linebreeding so to me, it's relatively accurate (look at how many horses have Native Dancer in them on one or both sides, or how many have a sire or dam appear or close relations appear in both sides of their pedigrees)

Out of all the ideas to help out the market, I find this one to be the least bit controlling in terms of play style. A player can still get what they want should they have a need for several foundies, it's just going to either take more time or require outsourcing rather than instant gratification through the ec. This is one of the few suggestions I actually feel comfortable supporting as it doesn't steer players to play a certain way

This may come off as a little abrasive, I am sorry if it does, that is not my intent. My usage of words such as you and your do not represent anyone person in particular so please don't take this the wrong way, I just want to show you why this is a horrible idea and give you a better solution. Sorry if it is a little ranty ^^;

This is an unreasonable idea under any circumstance. Why punish other players simply because you can't sell your horses? Did you ever think that maybe the breeds or colors you have on offer are unpopular? Or maybe they are over priced? Have you tried advertising them in the forums?  Let me explain why this is a horrible idea and offer a better solution.

First off in my mind at least, I do not and will not breed horses for the purposes of selling them. When I breed horses on this game or any other game, the purpose in breeding them is to use them for competitions. I know that not every horse is going to come out as I hope it would and I am aware that everyone plays differently which brings me to a very important point.

Not everyone is going to gee haw with this notion and if limits are put in place this will cost the website players, which means the game will potentially lose real dollars/pounds/euros etc in the long run. It is not a sound business move. It is all well and good to say that we can lock our horses up but if I know anything about this game, unless you are buying custom horses, the chances of getting anything remotely close to what you are looking for is slim to nil, so a player needs the ability to purchase the number they need to get what they are looking for. You feel this is a problem and it floods the market because your horses are not being sold. The reality of it is, if people wanted your horses in the first place they would buy them if they are fairly priced. They will buy them because they like them, or because they fit into their breeding program etc. We cannot get upset because some one doesn't buy a horse.

Another reason for not limiting EC purchases is the fact that inbreeding is not allowed. Now, because inbreeding is not allowed, if there is not enough fresh blood added then people's breeding programs will come to a grinding halt. Simply expecting people to lock up their horses and halt their programs just because you think it is going to make you a sale is not going to work.  All it's going to do is cause folks to get mad and quit playing.

Now, for players who actually like to sell their horses I have the answer. The answer is "Insta sell" Insta sell would be an option where you could instantly sell your horse and have it removed from your account and the game giving you more room, and giving you the money you are after and lightening the load on the game if there happened to be one. The way the pricing on such an option should be based is off of the quality of the horse and a set market value, this way you are not losing money and it reduces the number of horses in game. If your ultimate objective is to decrease the number of horses in the game, this is your answer.

Another option would be to do with the auction house. I am not a high enough level to go to the auction house yet so I do not know how it works(If this feature is already there then I am sorry to list it here), but in other games I have played there is a an auto bid function that is optional. This represents a NPC buyer from outside of the game that bids on the horse and gets you the money you are after. Meaning there is a bid that is instantly placed, A bid placed by the NPC and the NPC will only place one bid that is the actual value of the horse. Another actual player may choose to outbid the NPC and win the horse, but if no one places a bid the NPC wins and the horse is removed from the game.

Both of these are solid and fair options in my opinion and I think it will keep everybody happy. If your ultimate objective is simply to try to force other players to buy your horses as opposed to horses they actually want, that is just unreasonable.  Remember, if something like what you are suggesting was put into place, there is still no guarantee that anyone will buy anyone's specific horses and there by not getting to the heart of what your real problem is.

@twistedwinds - You have summed up my feelings perfectly! 

Not that I EVER have created vast herds of EC horses to get what I Want. I am the type of person that buys the RC castoffs from other players that do this. I can get fresh blood much cheaper this way & the stat spread or confo that didnt suit the original creator is good for me. We all have different standards as to what makes a good horse or what we want from a horse :)

As to the stagnant horse sales I can only speak from personal experience. I ALWAYS check horses for sale from other players in whatever breed Im looking to expand however most are not up to the stat level of my existing lines (all horses for sale up to that level have the same bloodlines so are inbred to my own ponies) so I wont buy them for that herd. But I may buy them for my 3rd/4th gen lines if I like the horse & its treated correctly. 

Which brings me to the next reason I find it hard to buy from others is they are being fed Hay Cubes to be converted later. I personally WILL NOT touch a horse thats being fed to convert. I simply wont spend the extra $10k fee per horse because while its fine for the odd occasional individual if its super special but when your talking a herd of 20 plus $10k mounts up rapidly & gives no added value to a horse. 

But this is just me. Im not convinced limiting EC horses is the answer. Better education for breeding better horses in general could be a solution but then you're getting into the situation whereby you are forced to play EV in a certain way & I prefer the freedom EV gives you to play however you want.

 Much like in RL you dont get super rich selling horses.... unless you buy a TB foal by a TC winner & sell it to a rich Arab some 12 months later. But if it were that easy we'd all be millionaires :)

@twistedwinds 

The only thing I don't really agree with is selling horses that would remove them from the game. When I sell a horse that I have bred part of the joy of that is being able to look it up once in awhile, see his/her progress, see foals they had, etc.  I would hate seeing all my hard work taken out of the game. 

I guess I am just not quite sure why this needs to be fixed in the first place. I don't buy lined horses from other players and I don't plan to sell my own, so maybe that is the difference? I love buying the ones discarded in the rescue center and training them for my own lines. I do searches daily to see what is available from other players, but I am looking for foundation lines or very selective lines from certain players.

I’d love it if there were an option to select the specialty you intend to use the horse for, instead of an EC limit.
This could randomly distribute stats to the areas required for that specialty, or simply make the stats in those areas higher than the others.
This could help prevent stat combinations that don’t work for any specialties, and may reduce the need to create a lot of horses to get the right stats. It won’t help with color and conformation though.

Last edited on 2018-10-06 at 14:11:37 by Sapphire Acres

I want to start by saying I'm not trying to pick a fight, this is just how this appears to me. 

Clearly all the pro limit players breed popular breeds w/popular disciplines.

I'm a Clydesdale breeder specializing in Dressage and, eventually, Solids. Clydesdales aren't a particularly common breed and ones with stats for Dressage are very rare,  and I've never heard of a solid coming from the EC since I started playing. Mine are customs I splurge on when I have extra money to spend or have bred from those. 
I check sales (almost never anything new there) and the RC every day I'm on. I've gotten many of my breeding horses from the RC because someone willing to spend a lot of money mass created and tossed the ones they didn't want but are perfect, or close to it, for me. 
As for using the EC myself, I haven't gotten much better results than what I find already in the RC, so it would be mostly or entirely a waste of money. 
As it is, it's still a crap shoot wether or not I find something. 
As for individuals "buying" someone elses creation slots... it seems to me that people having to pay "extra" in order to mass create could greatly reduce the number of potential horses for me and other "rare" breed/discipline/color breeders.
So this "limit" thing feels a bit like a "screw you" from the popular kids.

Again, I'm not trying to be offensive, this just how it makes me feel. 

In regards to my breeding/Buying options...
There's 2 up for brood, but I too have owner-hasn't-rolled-over-itis. There are currently 2 Clydes in sales and 3 in the RC that each match only two or three of my requirements.
My requirements being:
1) Mare
2) Min conf of 58 w/no more than 1 poor
3) At least 40 dressage stats
4) Heterozygous Sabino or Solid (homo Sab is acceptable if stats are close to 50)
5) If lined, both parents are Dressage statted and discipled (I don't give a flip about "line/inbreeding")
I don't believe these are unreasonable standards. Please tell me if they are. 

Last edited on 2018-09-30 at 09:12:26 by Odella

No support. 
I think we just need to accept that the market will never get better. Personally, I am planning on breeding privately and I need EC to expand my herd. This will restrict my ability to expanding the herd. I am perfectionist and I absolutely hate it when my horses doesn't have my name on their "breed by" so I will never buy tokens from other players.

Personally, I think that Pure Crossbreed and solution to roll-over issues will do better job at improving market than restricting EC.

Last edited on 2018-09-30 at 11:12:56 by ωιςκεδ