Foals Born W/O Points

Does anyone know why foals are no longer born with points?

Are points earned by showing?

They are but on the old version of EV they inherited some points from their parents.

is there an answer for this?
will foals ever inherit some points from their parents?

I believe it's because points don't affect the level of the horse any more. The grade levels are based on horse stats now.

Honestly, it doesn't really make sense for the foal to inherit parent points, that's like a foal in rl jumping from novice to two star eventers straight away because it's parents are 3 star eventers or something.

Points are not longer inherited. Points are only earned via shows. Before "Show Points" were inherited and separate from "Experience". Show Points were mostly a status thing really and had little purpose beyond denoting well-lined animals from my understanding. Experience determined a horse's grade. They did not always match up exactly and it was strange and awkward. (I may be a bit wrong in my assumptions, I've been through a few incarnations of showing on EV and don't have the best of memories).

Now Grade is determined purely on the basis of stats, Points are attributed to each horse individually and a mark of winning in difficult classes. Experience has completely shifted over to the Player to allow for Levels. To my knowledge Foals will not be inheriting points at all. They inherit a portion of stats, conformation, and genes(color) from their parents. In terms of Showing, parents will determine what level a horses starts at, but give no boosts in showing ability. Earning points and money is all on the player via strategic entering and stat allocation from treats and in the future training.

hmm. whats the point of points then?
if they don't dictate anything on the game and aren't inherited...
will there ever be a purpose for points?

Last edited on 2016-04-09 at 12:53:20 by madoka

From Sabriel's post:

Points are attributed to each horse individually and a mark of winning in difficult classes.

Basically, it's a status thing, just like in the previous version. Or, a gauge of how well your horses are doing, if you prefer. The higher the points your horse earns, the more you know that it's worth showing (and is probably making money for you as well).

The problem with that is points don't seem to be working that way...

these horses are from my driving welsh pony division..

re. luka, 261 stats, 70,382 points and all time winnings of $9,729.
re. deco, 216 stats, 59,430 points and all time winnings of $4,613

so according to the points system i should keep luka and get rid of deco
or at least stop wasting my money on him for show fees. if it worked like that
then i would have lost a lot of money on these two...

tu. miah, 203 stats, 62,340 points and all time winnings of $2,785
mints. bishop 197 stats, 65,466 points and all time winnings of $3,362

checked my other welsh pony division too... (it was worse lol)

my lowest pointed horse:
ye. kaito 274 stats, 70,720 points and all time winnings of $12,111

the rest:
ye. geyser 320 stats, 86,724 points and all time winnings of $8,729
mints. piano girl 239 stats, 83,746 points and all time winnings of $8,762
mints. endless story 224 stats, 84,592 points and all time winnings of $5,781
mints. nationalism 223 stats, 79,082 points and all time winnings of $6,698

so strategically speaking whats the point of points?
obviously i can't rely on them to make a choice on a show string.
stats seem to be the only way, and once they start showing winnings.

and i understand we are trying to aim for 'realism' in this game but
realistically speaking stats aren't in real life and can be inherited down to the foals
in this sim.

Last edited on 2016-04-09 at 15:44:05 by madoka

Stats do represent things that can be heritable in animals in real life. Racehorses are often bred for stamina (or endurance, as it is called here) and speed. Really the only more unrealistic stat is intelligence. Breeding for traits like agility, strength, speed, stamina, etc. are how we developed the breeds that we have today for the jobs that they are used for. So yeah. Stats are completely realistic in that sense.

I'd argue that even intelligence does have some aspect of realism (though I'd likely agree less than the other stats you mentioned). Depending on the breed (and the individual breeder), some people do breed to produce 'smart' horses. I had an Appaloosa stallion who was scary-smart, which in turn made him a breeze to train (I also personally think that this makes for a more level-headed animal in general - one of his daughters was [well, still is] just like him) All of his breeder's horses were like that as it was something they were attempting to keep in their lines (they were largely bred from Hank Wiescamp lines, if you're familiar with old school QH & App breeding).

In contrast, the last two Thoroughbreds I had were dumb as paint chips. But, being Thoroughbreds, they were bred to run really fast and screw everything else, lol. I worked on the track for a fairly long time - the amount of stupid in some Thoroughbreds is astounding (and I'm not knocking them - TBs are 'my' breed). As is the lack of manners and the higher incidences of rotten attitudes (some trainers like the more aggressive ones, even if it makes them a little more dangerous - they think they perform better). The trainer I worked for the longest had this colt who was quite successful, but a lot of times, training in the morning, he just didn't really feel like it, so he took to simply stopping as quickly as possible while galloping, tossing many a rider. She had him gelded, thinking it might settle him down some, but it didn't help. She did finally find an exercise rider who was able to deal with him, but she nearly gave up on him because he was actually sort of dangerous, just slamming on the brakes while galloping and all. He was a biter, too. I hated working with him, haha.

/tangent

madoka, when you enter shows, what type do you enter? If you auto-show, do you just use cheapest, or do you mix it up a little? Using most expensive and lowest entries are likely to earn you more money, assuming your horses win/place at the top.

If you're entering the cheap shows, they're likely pretty full, so while your horses might be winning and earning points, they might not be winning much money. Sorry, I should have clarified that earlier - I usually show mostly in lowest entries & most expensive (except for n1/n2 level horses which I usually just show in cheapest).

That said, something I've noticed of late is that shows have become cheaper pretty much across the board, regardless of level. While that's nice for entering purposes, it means that payouts are lower.

Ditto to what Rising Dawn said. The amount of money your horse earns can be deceptive. Your horse could come in first, but if it is in a $20 show, it will earn less money than in a $100 show. And I'm pretty sure that the number of entries affects the payout, too. If you win a show that has 25 entries, you will make more money than if you "win" a show where you are the only entry.

I really don't fully understand how points are awarded, though.

Last edited on 2016-04-09 at 17:11:01 by Confessor

yeah but what i'm saying is the way stats are inherited here aren't realistic. the traits that are given to horses is but in real life you don't have a formula to get the exact amount of stats a foal will be born with. and if winnings are deceptive too then really stats is all that can make you want to show a horse - for me honestly i don't care i show all my horses regardless because they are foundations and i make a profit from showing. i was pointing out that if points were used to see if a horse was successful in showing as was said then it isn't working on my horses lol.

and what i am saying though is there is no function for points and i want to go back to the original questions - Does anyone know why foals are no longer born with points? and will foals ever inherit some points from their parents?

if they won't then i don't see a point to it really.

Last edited on 2016-04-09 at 17:34:53 by madoka

Disclaimer! I'm not the authority on the plans with the game or what everything is super supposed to be, Abbey is the only person who knows completely what's up. I'm just a long time player that's tried to pay attention to game mechanics.
I can't tell you if points will have more of a purpose in the future, but it's entirely possible, especially with things like Championships still to come into play.

But anyway, Points are not directly correlated with money earned. If I remember right, which I could be wrong, I couldn't find anything written anywhere, but I think you earn points for placing like 1-10 or 15? whereas money is 1-3 or 5? and then stats are only the first three placings? I don't know if that was something from the older system or not, but I think it makes sense with how my horses look at least.

Adn I'm not sure what you're trying to show with all the horses you have there, but Here's my understanding.
A horse with a lot of points consistently does decently in shows enough to place in the top 10 or whatever. Which could be good if you enter a lot of higher entry shows, or not so good if they're not doing many top three placings.
A horse with a lot of money earned on the other hand consistently places in the top 3, (which is harder to do, with the new grade system) However the amount is based on which type of shows you enter, for example, a horse with 2k earnings could have made it on a few high entry fee shows or a lot of lower entry fee shows since entry fees attribute to show winnings.

Okay I started this an hour ago and I have no idea where I was going with it. But basically it's a large combination of factors that show a good horse, points being one of them.