Buying horses for credits?

I think that we should be able to bid/buy horses for credits. *If you disagree please say why!*

The value of horses vary so widely, and it's really not often worth the equivalent of 1 EVC, and if suddenly all of these horses that would have gone for less than 1,000 EVD suddenly start going for 1 EVC (50K+) it would throw the whole economy out of wack. Plus, if you can pay for everything with EVC, then, what's the point of EVD at all besides the more "affordable" services on the site such as training, showing, etc etc.

I think if an owner wants to sell their horse for a certain amount of EVC, or is willing to consider bids containing EVC I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to do that. Maybe if it was too difficult or complex to code in, but that's not for me to judge.

I agree with Buck on this, EVC would throw the economy out of wack and if you want to sell a horse for 1 EVC, then why not simply put your horse up for 50k which what many players say amount to 1 EVC. Also, personally I would rather not spend REAL life money for a horse on which I could basically re-create with time and effort or maybe already have. It would really turn me off...

This all being my personal opinion, I know it might bring money to the game... But it could have real back lash with the economy dying or horse just not getting sold because the game is still newly made and doesn't have lots of horses or even members yet, and the only members who would really buy a horse for 1 EVC is a higher player, and even then they may already or can easily create a horse just as good or better then the one selling. In the end you may just put the horse up for EVD when no one buys.

Not that I can tell the future or anything, but it is possible and may not end well in the end... Maybe. Lol.

Last edited on 2016-06-27 at 03:06:24 by Western Outback Stables

I don't see how it would negatively impact the economy

Especially if the owner has the option to control if the horse can be bid on with evc EVD or a mix of the two, plus it's a player preference.

Lastly on that one: the general cost for most EVC is 50,000 as that's the exchange rate for art. Although the credit sales values them higher. A lot of members still see them as worth 50k EVD not any more or less...

I don't see how it will effect economy in that aspect, it's a choice, not that you would be forced to buy or sell horses with credits, but have the option to if you wish to.

It can effect the economy because the game isn't large, not yet anyways. Plus I see no use for EVC, because if you have it for selling, soon it would be used for breeding... And it's a waste of REAL life money to spend such things on a horse you can make yourself. I personally would hate it... We don't have a lot of horses as it is to buy or even breed to, and to only find out that they put them up for EVC will annoy me and I'm sure others as well. Unlike some other players, EVC probably doesn't bother them as they may already have it or such. But lower players starting out on a new-ish game just would turn the new players away.

Hey, maybe add EVC for buying and selling horses much, MUCH later in the game where it has developed more. Because now it would not do well as the only players buying those EVC horses are high players, the lower ones would not even get a chance to save up EVD to get those horses.

On the old ev and this one I have bartered with credits at the exchange rate of 1:50k what changes when it becomes safer and you don't have to transfer them to the member upon breedings/purchase?

Nothing has stopped members from doing this prior, nothing will stop it going forward, the only thing that can be done IS make it safer

I can guarantee I'm not the only one who bartered with credits prior or have current it's all in the members you talk to. Adding in a system that's optional effects nothing but making it safer and easier to do.

Adding this system could cause more members to put their horses up for credits if it is a option available for them. So players who don't have EVC cannot buy those horses unless they save up big bucks. I just think having horses sell for credits so early in a "new" made game just isn't worth it. Not yet anyways. Not only because it's a small community, but we don't have a lot of horse even worth credits as there aren't a lot of horses in the first place. Maybe later in the game bring them in. But it's not worth it now, not with the game still growing and have a lot of new members.

Not to mention that if oyu put them up for EVC, then that means less EVD in circulation, which in turn kills the internal economy imo if there's not enough EVD floating around and exchanging hands.

I don't think this would actually have much of an impact on the economy.

Players tend to assume 1 EVC = 50k. If they have a horse that they feel is worth at least that much, why not allow the transaction? The player on the other end still has to get an EVC to spend, so they're either contributing real money to the game or, more than likely, they're buying an EVC from another player. That 50k is still changing hands, it's just involving a third party along the way in most cases.

The alternative is that someone sells the horse for 50k, then goes to buy an EVC for that price themselves. What's the difference?

If you are interested in a horse selling for EVC but you don't have the real money to buy the EVC and you don't have the game money to get it either, then you don't buy the horse--but you wouldn't have been able to afford it in EQD either, then, assuming the owner is offering at that 50k equivalent. And if they're charging more than that? Don't buy the horse; we all know a good deal when we see it.

I think if this is implemented, I'd like to see an option to sell/allow bids in EVC OR EQD on any given transaction. So a horse could be up for private auction and have a bid of 2 EVC from one player and 105k from another and choose from there what's more important/valuable to them.

Now... With all you just said Sonoma, you made buying a horse sound difficult. Like lets buy an EVC and now give that EVC to a owner for a horse. It is all these transactions and other stuff just to buy a horse. The EVC just sound like a waste of time when if the owner wanted a horse for EVC why not they just simply sell for EVD (where EVERYONE can buy the horse) and then buy their own EVC. Not have the other people go through all this trouble to buy a horse.

Now... If a horse can't sell for 50k EVD... Then it sure isn't worth EVC and it won't sell at all. I mean, the game isn't large... There are hardly any horses for sale that are good (Most hardly worth 30k). So when ever will a horse sell for EVC when you can not buy them now? So EVC selling now... Not worth it. EVC selling in future, maybe because there are plenty of horses going around.

I guess I don't see the difference in the transaction I described versus the one you described, Western Outback. It's the same number of steps, just in a different order. Someone still has to sell the horse, someone still has to buy the horse, and someone still has to buy EVC.

I think it comes down to user preference. If this were implemented and you only want to buy/sell for EVD, do that. But if for some reason you want to sell for EVC, that's cool, too. If no one thinks the horse is worth the money, they won't buy it--no matter what kind of currency you're asking for.

EDIT: And for the record, I actually don't plan on buying or selling for EVC myself. I just don't think it would effect anything enough to prevent others from doing so. And as rhine pointed out, it's already happening, just not securely.

Last edited on 2016-06-28 at 18:28:16 by Sonoma

I know it's happening, I have seen it with some friends. It's just that when you make it like a permanent option, something that can be easily done. There could be a lot of horses going up for EVC at the start because now people can do it easily and no troubles. And then those horses won't sell because horses that are cheaper on this game are struggling to sell as the game is "new", etc...

It's not that I disagree with it completely. it's just that the game doesn't have a lot of horses yet. So selling horses for EVC would not happen much if at all. Having this idea could be added to the game later on, but now, let's just let the game develop and then think about adding more currency options to the game when horses would actually sell for EVC. XD

I also don't see how this would negatively affect the economy. If a horse isn't worth 1 EVC, then people aren't going to be spending 1 EVC on it. Those who don't know how to "properly" price horses (I use quotes because there is no true proper formula, it's more of a loose range based on stats and whatever players value) will do it and not be successful, but this is only going to affect individual players who decide to do this.

It takes a bit of time to learn every games economy, and EV is no different. If they plan on sticking around then they'll learn.

*shrugs* Just my two cents.

I don't see where this would really be a problem - a lot of us already do it anyway, and have been doing so since well before the recode. It's still on the 'honor system' as it was before, where each party had to trust the other to fulfill their end of the deal. But, I believe it was incredibly rare for anyone to actually get ripped off - this is a largely honest community. The more the game grows, however, the more likely that is to change.

Adding a feature like this would just make it safer for those who want to buy/sell with credits - wouldn't have to worry about someone not following through - and is no different than the feature that was implemented to make it easy to buy/sell credits from/to other players using EVD. That too was previously done on the honor system - I did it all the time. It's now just a simplified and safer way to make the transaction.

No one in their right mind is going to blow credits on 'junk' horses (e.g. the 10 year old foundation that still only has its initial 100 starting stats). I don't know what breed(s) you (Western Outback) work with, but I rarely have trouble finding high quality horses to buy (and I sell plenty of my own). There are horses I've bought with EVD that frankly I would have preferred to pay EVC for just so I could keep my 'cash', lol (since it's necessary for so many more things than just buying horses).