An Important Message About the Equiverse Economy

I'll admit I'm a price sheep and hitched up my prices a tad because all them cool kids were XD

I don't mind selling a tag like this for 50k.
It's just a pon pon with a little water to dance in, and yes I know I'm currently selling this tag for 75k. Sorry guys, my prices will be changing after this sale.

When I start making tags like this, or this it's hard for me to want to price it at 50k when I did a background, or have two horses in the recolor.

I use to always do sales for 50k. Since my first sale on here I've improved a lot, and tend to take a lot more time with stuff, so that in turn makes me feel I've earned a price boost, but the truth is... this is indeed not an art game, and honestly I've been a lot more focused on that then the actual game right now:(

I've been feeling the art bug lately, and just spitting out stuff every night practically!! but I am very committed to the game, and shall change my ways. Not 100% sure how yet. May go back to limited sales (not slots but only selling 5 overall for 50k each kinda thing), or just keep expanding my recolor collection on DA, and letting people order there/ here for 50k each?

I agree that prices should depend on what you're selling, but they have gone uphill in general. Not calling anyone out, I think it's just because one or two people did it and then so did everyone else.

And it's actually kind of elitist to think you deserve to sell for more because of whatever. I try really hard and think my stuff is high quality too - however, I charge fairly (even for real money commissions, I always try to keep things steady) because hey, at some point we've all seen an adopt or a piece of art way out of our price range and it's not fun. There's some artists who literally have jacked up their prices just because it's their art and they have a holier-than-thou attitude like the name is a brand. And I know for a fact that's driven a lot of people off of buying their stuff.

However, like I said, that doesn't mean you shouldn't price for what you're offering. A simple bg and easy color? 50k. Complex background? 65k. Two horses? 75k on up. But when you get to the point of charging like 150k for a simple recolor of a tag just because you can, that's a little ridiculous. Charge what you think is right for the amount of work you put in, but don't tack an ego on too.

Also, I just want to say 'cuz it's funny, nobody puts a 5mil AB on something "to encourage bidding". We're all hoping someone will come along to pay it :P

-nods at the last line in Zell's post-

Ayyy free market though.

Honestly I don't have an issue with prices. I'm not the richest, and my only income is through art since I never have the time to show/train/ect my pixel pons.

The way I see it, it's a free market. Lowering the price to the 'norm' is probably a good way to earn more overall, and drum up more interest for the seller. But on the other hand, look at how the 'free market' has affected the EVC sales. I personally think there's a pretty direct correlation. If EVC is worth more, then it affects how people value EVD as well. Which goes back to the points people have made about EVC and how it's accepted/unaccepted in art sales. There is no solid value on it anymore. Same with art.

Let artists charge what they think their art is worth. If it's not worth that? People won't buy it, they can adjust from there. If it is? People will buy it, and they'll feel like they earned what they put into the work.

Buuuuut I can see where you're all coming from so despite my paragraphs of the logic of my POV, I'm relatively neutral.

I'm not even touching the whole issue of price relative to ego either. Just not. Cause that is a real issue but I'ma not get involved in that.

Some of y'all probably won't like this but... I am going to say this.

Players keep trying to treat EV2 like EV1. Players are trying to keep EVC value at $50k or lower when I know for sure that their value actually can be $60k+ since I've sold several for $60k. Players are trying to keep arts' value same as EV1 when market clearly are changing.
TBH, I don't think lowering it to $50k will make any big difference... or at least for me and several others.


I've stopped buying arts for about 2 years (except for a new layout). It is not the price that turned me off. I can afford them easily. To me, the majority of arts doesn't have purpose on here. Sure, they are pretty to look at but it is not enough for me to go on art shopping spree.

Characters/Designs are first art that I've stopped buying. I have this three gorgeous characters - Reagan, Chayton, and Epona. I rarely used them so I don't see any point in buying more characters. In EV1 (right before recode), Character/Design's market went up big time and a lot of designs got sold.
A lot of players assumed that it will be same in EV2. That's the biggest mistake. Supply and Demand, dudes/dudettes. From what I seen, a lot of buyers are younger players who now cannot access the forums (thank god for that). Also, yes, we do have a lot of players. However, eventually, most of us are satisfied with our characters and doesn't need to buy more. Therefore, there's not enough of demand for designs.

Tags/Siggies are second to go. I realized that there's no point in buying tags and siggies when I tend to settle for one tag and siggie for long time (like right now, I have that tag and siggie for almost 1 yrs). I've noticed that more players are settling with one tag and siggie as well. If I became bored with mine, I just simply pick one of my old tags because I have plenty of pretty tags that are collecting dusts in my mostly abandoned imgur account.
Like I stated earlier, arts doesn't really have purpose on here. Like Sabriel, I rather to spend $50k on buying 25 horses from EC in attempt to find horses with right conformation for my breeding program. Why should I waste $50k on a tag that I will never use? 25 horses, hell yeah. I usually get lucky and get one or two with rarer color and marking. Plus, more arenas = more income!

Also, for those who cannot do arts (which is alot), buying arts are #1 reason for us going bankrupt. Most of older players realized that quickly and begin to budgeting strictly or stop buying altogether. Our main income source are from our horses and we need to invest our money to our horses not arts. Artists can invest money in arts because their main income source are by doing arts.

In EV1, I think the majority of customers are younger players. I also remember more begging and players going bankrupt in EV1 because of arts. To me, blocking younger players from art forums are the best idea ever. Period. I love that I haven't receive any message from someone begging for money despite having 5mil in my bank. However, that block caused art's market to suffer.

But then again, this is horse game not art. So, as a player who cannot do arts, I am not complaining. I am relieved because this game is turning into horse focused. Finally, I am making some hefty profits from my horses and I cannot remember the last time I've made that amount of profits.

To artists, the EV world doesn't end if you selling less arts. But, EV world will end for us who cannot sell arts if arts' market improved.


ANYWAYS, I don't think it is price that are problem. It is the fact that the demand for arts are decreasing and artists are oversupplying. This is not EV1 and the overall market (EVC, Arts, Horses) are different on here. The players need to accept that and stop trying to enforce the old way.

This is the main purpose of recode. TO CHANGE THE MARKET AND ECONOMY. If the players keep attempt to enforce the old market and economy, it can wreck this game and ruins the purpose of recode. So, for god's sake, stop try control the market and economy. Let it runs on its own course.

Okay, I will just end it here. I can go on ranting about overall market and economy but it is not the purpose of this post...

- Romy

Last edited on 2016-06-22 at 12:56:13 by Aɴᴅʀᴏᴍᴇᴅᴀ

Re: horse art

Personally, I don't see much point in buying or making art that's only going to stick around for 5 months, assuming active playing.

I don't find the art market has suffered more now than previously - like anything else on EV and off of EV, there are always fluctuations in terms of supply/demand.

I think, as already stated, that if members over-price their art, others simply will not buy, and the artist will get the hint and drop prices or stop selling art. Simple as that.

I agree with maple and Andromeda that a lot of the art buyers in EV1 were younger members, and now that those members have been filtered from the equation, there are less art sales. Less sales mean less demand, and this is not necessarily a permanent change. The flux of new members joining that are interested in the art sector of the game and 13+ is all it could really require to increase the art demand again.

I agree with Zell's post regarding some who may wear their name like a top brand, and another's comment that art to a degree is a matter of popularity. But again, that is basically how things roll in sales, both on and off EV, unfortunately. Some who are wiser to this can and do avoid interactions with those particular members; and some don't care. Each to their own, really.

I'm not concerned about art on EV as of now. This drop that some of us are seeing in art is not permanent; it is just another of the fluctuations that come and go.