Remove Pinto/Paint markings from Appaloosas

In RL Appaloosas cannot have pinto/paint markings. If the do they would be considered "Pintaloosas" and not purebred and not able to be registered. 
I suggest removing the paint markings from the appaloosa breed in favor of realism.

Last edited on 2023-01-31 at 13:36:06 by Cast

I support this! All for more realism when it comes to colors/patterns

yes, please! A lot of people argue realism and yet downvote this xD But I really want this :D

I don't think a appaloosa with appy and paint markings is called a pintaloosa. A pintaloosa is a crossbreed between the two breeds, but I did find it a bit odd that they have paint markings in the game.

Imma need to google it real quick cuz I thought so too :3 edit in a sec♥

Edit: found this site that states

i don't know about the realism thing, i think people just don't want to randomly lose all their pinto appys one day. before grade horses were a thing breeding pinto appys was the best way to have "pintaloosas" so some people have a lot of progress there.

i might like this if maybe the markings aren't flat out removed but simply cannot occur anymore. no paint patterns from the EC and no paint patterns being passed down to foals from existing appaloosas. but i'm not really sure if something like that is possible.

Maybe they would still pass down genes, but have a lowered chance of doing so idk, definitely not flat out remove them ofc, just now more from the rc :)

I dunno, it seems like Appaloosas can have pinto, it's just not encouraged to breed for it by the registry. I can see why it was included though since it seems like more of a "type and colour" is registered if they have Appaloosa parents. 

I wouldn't mind if the markings were kept but (by the logic of if grade horses are expanding) that the horse becomes a Non-Characteristic Appaloosa instead?  Could also apply to solid ones too. 

( cracks her knuckles).. OOoo this has got to be one of my main pet peeves here on EV...

I've always felt that having the pintaloosa/sabino etc markings available for the Appies was not realistic at all..

On the main club page for the Appaloosa Horse Club, I posted a link to the registration guidelines that specifically defines white marking limitations and eligibility for registration.. ( gotta fix the link with the most updated handbook rules)

ApHC Handbook

Here are the current rules for horses NOT eligible for registration:

205. HORSES NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION A. No horse shall be registered with the ApHC that, bears artificial characteristic(s) and/or artificial coat pattern(s). B. No horse, except a horse whose parentage has been verified through DNA testing that both parents have an ApHC registration classification, shall be registered or retain registration with the ApHC that has: 1. Continuous leg marking(s) which exceed the top of the forearm(s) or the top of the gaskin(s); and/or 2. White marking(s) on the head exceeding a line around the throat latch and behind ear(s); and/or 3. White marking(s) on the body, including but not limited to the neck, shoulder, girth, barrel, abdomen, hip, thigh and gaskin which are continuous, uninterrupted, longer than six (6) inches (15.2 cm) and separate from an Appaloosa coat pattern, if an Appaloosa coat pattern is present and visible, and which marking(s) do not blend into the base color of the horse. These types of markings usually have a solid line that does not blend into the base color and are usually observed in conjunction with underlying non-pigmented skin.

These white markings would include tobiano, overo, splash and sabino.. 

I have always limited registration to the Appaloosa Horse Club here on EV to approved Appaloosa coat patterns only. I do allow rabicano (for now), as it is not a 'solid" continuous marking and it does blend into in the coat...

For people interested in breeding the pintaloosa patterned horses... Notori founded the International Pintaloosa Horse Registry. I have always directed players who wanted their horses registered with the ApHC on EV to IPHR so they could register their horses with the appropriate registry.. 

International Pintaloosa Horse Registry

Sure, I have a couple of pintaloosas, cuz they're showing well.. but I wont breed them.. and they look nice but ya... I encourage anyone interested in breeding 'real world' Appaloosas as per accepted guidelines in the ApHC US , to visit our Appaloosa Horse Club here on EV and read the info I've provided on the main club page...

Feel free to drop me a line with any questions you may have and I'll see if I can provide you more info :)

addendum:
COLOR AND COAT PATTERNS: • The base coat color may be any one of many different colors and can include dilutes, duns, grays, roans and other modifying types. Eyes may be any color, including, but not limited to, blue, hazel, green, brown, amber and black. Coat color patterns may vary from a solid pattern, meaning no spotting at all, to multi-spotted to blanket hipped with no spots. Patterns and markings are extremely varied and found in many sizes and combinations with great variations in areas with white backgrounds. Appaloosas can dramatically change their coat pattern throughout their lifetime. No two Appaloosa horses are identically marked. • While color and markings are not primary or determinative factors in judging, it should be borne in mind that where two horses are equal in type, conformation, action and soundness, the award may be made to that particular entry which is more reasonably recognizable as an Appaloosa

Last edited on 2023-02-01 at 08:15:30 by ༄ Windspun Appaloosas

I just emailed the ApHC for clarification on approved genetic dilutions and rabicano . What I wouldn't give to have sooty genes added to the Appys!! lol.. 

Well this is interesting!

I received a response from the ApHC  to my email questioning sooty, champagne, silver and rabicano....  

This is their reply:

The ApHC recognizes only the Champagne color of those you listed.  

Therefore, silver is NOT recognized by the ApHC, nor is rabicano..Only Champagne.. interesting...

uh oh both my favorite appys carry silver...

gosh darn it, one of my appys is silver, oh well my fave is still my grullo snowcap 😅

Edited for spelling :P

Last edited on 2023-02-01 at 13:06:56 by Kali Pickle's Horses

hahah i hear ya.. I have a few silvers!! uggg.. and some rabs.. lol.. my fav gene is still sooty.. so I guess I'll have to get my sooty appy fix with the grade horses hahahah... ( goes off to weed out the misfits) hehehe