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Last edited on 2023-12-17 at 16:11:51 by Lucia

I usually breed my horses when their 3-5, though I don't think I have any tips on it, but other players might!

I know there are several players who have put this into practice previously. Confessor was one of them and I think Feather may have done something similar at one point. I'm sure there are others as well :) 

I do the same, but I breed through thier entire life bc I don't show them :3 too risky for my horses, so I just send them to riding schools c: Some have over 300 NSS so they aren't winning any ribbons xD

Last edited on 2023-03-16 at 09:40:59 by 𝙺ᵃˡⁱ 𝙿ⁱᶜᵏˡᵉ'ˢ 𝙷ᵒʳˢᵉˢ

I think the later you breed your horses (and the more points and achievement points they have), the slightly better foals you get for confo*. At least on the basis of my experience.
If I were you, I'd not cull my 2nd gens, just lock them, and then work with only 1st gens till showing and/or conformation modification comes (hopefully in the near future).

Edit: *At least in the future generations, as I think somehow parents-grandparents are counted in (the wprk you put into them) when breeding.

Last edited on 2022-12-08 at 09:57:55 by Olivia

That's a shame. Confessor isn't active anymore. I can't search for Feather since they use special characters in their name. It would be nice to talk with someone who has done this method for the long term.

"I think the later you breed your horses (and the more points and achievement points they have), the slightly better foals you get for confo."
Can anyone confirm this? I am a little leery about this because I had gotten several foals with terrible conformation outcomes despite their parents being decent in conformation. If it's legit... then yikes. I definitely will not do this method if it's legit since it's already hard enough even with all points and achievements.

I did think about keeping my 2nd gen locked... however, they take up so much space. The cost to expand to create space for more 1st gen is so expensive too. There is zero confirmation that conformation will be modified in the near future. There are no hints of what kind of changes they will make to the conformation system too. Same for the showing system. Yes, there's an official discussion on the showing system but there are so many different opinions on that discussion so it's hard to guess which direction the admins are planning to take. The admins also have their own opinions and ideas, I am sure, so they can go in a completely different direction from the discussion. There's an issue with the timeline too. I am okay with keeping my 2nd gen locked for a bit but not for a long time. With EV's history, keeping them locked for a long time is more likely and I don't know if I will have the money and resources to keep them locked for the long term.

Part of me thinks it's easier to start over. I most likely will drop Vanners since I enjoyed Clydesdales more and it seems like EV have no plans in introducing an official crossbreed anytime soon so Drum Horse isn't happening any time soon. I can consider my current herd as a testing subject. I can take what I learned from this herd and use it with the new herd to avoid the same mistakes. However, I don't want to start over if they are going to modify the conformation and showing system soon-ish (within 6 months). That's why I am so torn on what to do. 

Last edited on 2022-12-08 at 10:37:47 by 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆

Lucia!! I found Feather for ya, their ID is 72812, and here's their page :3 💜 𝓕𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓻 💜

Not the best solution but perhaps you could open a second account and move the 2nd gen there? Buying space over there is much cheaper than on your main, but idk. I was gonna do something like that, but I can't open a new email bc it requires a phone number.

Conformation isn’t affected by anything other than the parents conformation. You may be thinking of the generational bonuses that are applied to birth stats and foal training rewards. 

Breeding early is a fairly good method to even out the nss of your herd fast and start reducing it.

As for breeding age influencing a conformation, I've been doing a minor, with a very small group, study to check that and it should end next week. The group is too small to make sure RNG didn't create a weird bias (only 40 foals generated from 7 pairs, 19 for early breeding and 21 for late breeding, which is technically not sufficient) but with how time works on EV and how much time I have in RL for that I don't have time to run full scale experiment before getting annoyed by sheer amount of foals I don't want. Anyway, if you want to know what came out out of it, I can post it later.

From my personal experience, I've been getting slightly more often high conformation foals when horses were bred later. Troublesome pairs that give foals with conformation worse than both parents sadly happen, RNG is cruel when you breed for confo. Lately I had an outbreak of such foals, f.eg.: 57,6 out of 60,9 and 63, similar to previous but 61,8 instead of 60,9, All foals slightly weaker than parents.
But then I get foals which are much better than parents from other pairs (like this one), so there is a balance.


As for the official showing thread, I think you might have a wrong impression of the purpose of the thread. It's not for us to know anything, it's for the admins. For us it's only a place to put together our thoughts about the topic. It's supposed to be an idea dump, so admins can have an input from players about what we consider being a problem, what we like and think works fine, what we would like to see implemented/changed in this feature.

@ Kali, tysm! 
Same. I didn't want to create a new email just to make a second account. I already have several emails for work and school related. It's a headache to keep track of all emails. I am not comfortable using them for a game, tho. 

@ Maple, thank you for the information. Glad to know that conformation shouldn't be affected!


@Sikora, I definitely would love to hear more about the result of your group study when you're done with it!
Oh yes, RNG can be cruel sometimes. I recently made a post about it. I got a foal with a 52 conformation avg out of a pair that gave me two foals with good conf avg (59 and 60). Sire's avg is 56 and Dam's avg is 61. 56 avg foal, that I can deal with but 52 is quite brutal lol.

That's one of the reasons why I also like the idea of breeding them young. I can just cull the pairs that gave me bad babies instead of wasting my time investing in them. I have a lot of pairs that gave me mostly bad foals and it's frustrating because I spent so much time investing in them and I have nothing good out of them. That 52 avg foal was brutal but at least his siblings are quite good (one of the best out of my 2nd gen Vanners). However, there are several sibling sets that have quite low averages.

As for showing the thread, I know that the thread is an idea dump place. In some idea dump situations, you kinda can see that everyone has similar thoughts and it's getting obvious that the admins will most likely go with a certain plan (with some minor modification). Therefore, you kinda can predict what direction the showing will go and plan the herd accordingly. However, with that thread, there are no clear possibilities. That's why I am not the biggest fan of the idea of locking 2nd gen and waiting out for the new change especially when there's no timeline and plan. I rather just work with the current system and modify my herd to suit the current show system and conformation system. If there's a clearer plan or timeline on showing and conformation, then yes, I am more willing to lock my 2nd gen and wait it out.

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I think my current plan is to finish my current herd as I still have a few 1st gen left to breed. I will keep my 2nd gens locked until that time. It should take about 2-ish months to finish my herd. By then, if there's no news of showing and conformation changes, then I think I will go ahead and sell or cull my 2nd gens and start afresh and do this method.

I can't really post single results, but as a whole, breeding age doesn't impact conformation. There was no visible correlation between them.

What I can say though, is that even if the conformation was rarely increased in comparison with both parents, when looking at whole herd, every generation the conformation was increasing slightly and was more uniform. I was pairing the best foals, so that was what was supposed to happen. ;)

thank you for sharing the update!