EVC pricing chat

Kali brought up a good point.

That's another thing that fascinates me about EV's mentality. Most of the games will delete inactive accounts (with warnings) and people are fine with it. They know the consequences. If they don't touch their account for over a year, it's reasonable for it to be deleted to clear up the space in the server and prevent from money flowing into inactive accounts. If they ever decided to return, they know that they can just create a new account and start over.

However, here? DO NOT TOUCH MY ACCOUNT. Why is the mentality here so different from other games? It's the same with the horses. Other games are able to wipe the slate clean for the sake of the game while we cannot do it here due to an attachment issue here. Honestly, I know many of the players on here also played other games so if they are okay with their inactivity policies, they need to be fine with that for here too.

As for wiping the slate clean... I have to admit that I do find it a little ironic that we aren't willing to do that because players are attached to their pixel horses. Yet, they did cull a bunch of breeds and tell those hard-working breeders "tough luck, just choose a new breed to swap to." Haven't you considered those players and how attached are they to their horses? Yes, they still kept those lines but they are just shells of their true-self. I saw that there are several horses that still haven't been swapped to a new breed. I find that crueler than wiping the slate clean because culling the several breeds only targeted a specific group of players instead treating everyone fairly. If EV is able to do that, we shouldn't use the attachment issue as an excuse to justify not wiping the slate clean.


Anyways, I am rambling and am getting off-topic again. Back to the point:

We have so many inactive accounts with riding lessons, boardings, and training arenas available to the public. 
There are so many overpriced or undesirable horses and items by inactive players sitting on the market for months (and years probably) as well. If we get rid of them, it also can help balance things out. It can help with the oversaturated market problem.

Honestly, I do support deleting inactive accounts. Obviously, we should give the owners reasonable warnings before deleting it.  It will clear up a lot of space on the server. It also will remove a lot of surplus items from the market which can help bring some value back for some items since they will no longer be considered as surplus. Overly-priced or undesirable horses that are been sitting in the market for a long time will be removed from the market. That will help clear up the market and make it less saturated.

With money flowing back to active players properly, more active players will be able to afford to buy credits. I was told that Deluxe players don't earn much from boarding, shows, etc. That it didn't make a big difference between a basic player and a deluxe. Well, I upgraded to deluxe since then and I can confidently say that it's incorrect. I do see a big difference. I earned a lot of money from show hosting and know that I could've earned much more on my riding school and arenas if it wasn't for all inactive accounts. $7k~$25k daily from shows had made a huge difference. It allows me to expand my horse slots faster (which costs over $30k now). If I get income from my riding school and arenas, then I will be able to afford to buy more credits too.

I think people would rather nothing happen to inactive accounts because that is the main reason why many people play this game. I know that's the reason why I initially started playing here. The fact that its "real life friendly", if life suddenly got busy everything would still be there whenever you came back.

As far as funds going to inactive accounts, another option would be to boot stables from search functions the same way that horses for sale or stud get booted after a week.

Anything that involves taking away something that players have invested into (accounts and everything on them) is going to get a lot of pushback. There's ways to solve problems without touching those areas, let's shift the focus a little bit and explore more of these options

Last edited on 2022-12-05 at 10:29:43 by ξιίzα Ð

The horses for sale still are available for sale. It's just that you have the option to hide them from the list or not. "Include horses whose owners haven't rolled over within the past 7 days."
They shouldn't be available for sale at all, period.

Even hiding inactive stables are already getting pushback from the general players. They still want it to be searchable with a toggle like inactive horses for sale, which means players still can find them and board, train, and school their horses at inactive places. Unless we are downgrading them to basic players and revoking their boarding, arenas, and school, we can't prevent them from using it.

It also will not solve anything about the items issue. I can imagine the pushback it will get. Inactive Players will argue that they do not want to come back and find their inventory full of unwanted stuff that needed to be put back on the market again. Oh, the hassle of re-sorting through hundreds of items and re-pricing them.

That's the whole problem with EV's mentality. They just want their account untouched 100% even if it costs the game.

EDIT:
And let's be realistic. The number of players leaving the game and never coming back is much higher than players who went on unexpected hiatus. I find it's little extreme that we are keeping everything untouched for a small number of players who may or may not come back. Honestly, it's not that hard to click "Please do not delete my account" on the warning email and log in to your account once before the deadline to restart the inactivity clock.

Last edited on 2022-12-05 at 11:59:48 by 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆

yup, it's weird. I have to search for a very long while just to find an actual stable :/ plus the overpriced items for sale. There are winner's circle backgrounds for I think 250k last I checked.

Accounts won't be getting deleted, ever. So it's a moot point.

Please move back to a more productive conversation. 

Productive conversation isn't going to happen if everyone is going to push back against anything that could help active players. Talking about the issues but offering no practical solutions is not a productive conversation. Bandaid solutions aren't productive conversation as well.

We cannot delete thousands of inactive and abandoned accounts because of the pushback of minorities.
We cannot even hide inactive and abandoned accounts properly because of the pushback of minorities.

It's an issue that got brought up multiple times by multiple players over time and it still got swept under the rug every single time because of the pushback of the small group of players. Nothing had changed despite the fact it is a big issue for years.

Therefore, the money will ALWAYS go back to inactive accounts instead of active accounts. If we cannot shift the flow to active players, then we cannot expect that active players will ever be able to afford credit in a reasonable timeframe. Therefore, we will never solve this EVC pricing issue because we aren't willing to fix all of the roots of the problem.

We will always have overflooded horse markets and overflooded item markets as well so the whole conversation about oversaturated markets is pointless as well. The whole conversation of accusing the private breeders of slowing down the game is pointless as well. Even the whole artists community conversation is pointless.

I am sorry but what's the point of this whole conversation and all other discussions if nobody is willing to make any changes? 

Last edited on 2022-12-05 at 14:40:53 by 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆

ummm but if you search for members by ID and go to Search Members right here, click on all the ones without a name. PLease explain why this happens, I genuinely don't know if they got deleted or banned or what.

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EVC might be a luxury item, as many may have forgotten, but sometimes they're quite necessary to get rid of grey etc without having to breed for some players. I know I tend to randomize coat colors of grey foundations in my breeds if I get them, as I don't breed for it.

As for the crazily inflated pricing, that's forcing me to spend in real life money more than I'd like as I refuse to pay those amounts! Don't get me started on the currency exchange rate, that doesn't make things as cheap for in real life money as it might for others. Yes, I love to support EV ... but having to spend irl money almost every month is a bit ... irritating.

If I was getting more than 2 a month for rollovers it would be viable to live with that, but for those of us with huge herds...

As for those with inactive money sitting around, that's theirs. We shouldn't touch it, because I know i wouldn't like it if the game suddenly took mine after I was inactive for quite some time and found out upon returning. Sure, those players might not return but... still. 

Last edited on 2022-12-05 at 20:37:04 by нєямєѕ ѕтυ∂

yeah, I have too many Gg or GG horses and I don't want to spend the credits, like Saveutage, he's a palomino Trake. and is Gg I think. I don't want to randomize his coat, but I don't want gray :(

@Kali - the randomiser will always remove grey and never adds it back, regardless is it’s GG or Gg. Not sure if you know. It’s easy to breed out anyway.  

I know it will guarantee no GG or Gg, but I love his palomino coat :( Plus Rain and Handy.