Has private breeding slowed down the game?

@Kali - Deer is right. It's considered very rude to even mention a player should give away all the money they worked VERY hard for. They spent years getting that much EVD and EVC. Artists can easily gain EVC from commissions. It's not always about buying them. It's about receiving them as payment for art. You are a new player, so you don't know all the things Yeon has done generously. They've done free designs, and raffles. Even when they didn't have to. Yeon makes it so that everyone can obtain at least one of their amazing designs. Like Deer said, it's absolutely worth it to spend a lot of money (even if it's game money) on their art. I've spent millions of EVD and even some EVC, and I don't regret it. Not one bit.

@Lucia - Artists work HARD to get their art good enough to make some kind of profit. Just because they have a lot of cash, doesn't mean that they have to give it back just for the players that don't participate in art. That's not fair. Doing art and making a profit, doesn't matter to the horse side of EV. I don't know how this topic started to criticize artist's for their hard work and earning, but I don't approve of it. I am a artist myself, and it took me years to get the money I have. If I don't participate in the horse side of EV, then why should artist's like me give away to benefit the horse side? We're just trying to get better at art, enjoy art, and make some kind of profit while letting others enjoy your art.

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"A lot of those non-artist players also sell art they've gotten from other places as well."

That doesn't happen often enough to match the amount of money the artists earned. They also tend to earn less because it's reselling not the original work. Also, a lot of high-quality artists have a strict policy on reselling. Most of them actually don't allow it. They only will allow gifting or returning the art to the artist. Here's an example: Yeon does not allow reselling for some of their artworks. So does Maple. Sometimes, reselling will be allowed but they cannot be for more than what they paid for.

The amount of money going into the art community is way higher than the amount of money going out. The sheer imbalance and all hoarding messed up the economy in long run. 

Yeah, I have 2 credits right now, and I want to buy a Gray Gene Tweak, but I can't justify it, and I've gone to the Credit Shop, hovered over the Tweak, and decided against it at least 18 times already. To hear that someone has 300+ credits just hurts. And, I have a counter-argument for why Yeon is fine with how they are, EVD value. See, let's use monkeys as an example, it's easier that way. Monkey 1 has 10 bananas, Monkey 2 has 0 bananas. Monkey 1 rich, Monkey 2 poor. Someone gives Monkey 2 10 bananas, and now there is no rich or poor monkey, so the Bananas have no value. 
@Deer Creek - Yes I did and that still holds true, but now it's about 40 days :3 BUt even in another sim, I never did raffles or anything. Never once have I ever, in 2 years of playing horse sims, bought or sold any artwork. The only art I've ever made for a sim is a foal design trade game. And, if Yeon's art is so good, what says that I can't make the same quality of art myself for free?? I make art on DA as you know, and yeah, it is more of just my doodles on there right now, I don't upload my favorites for fear of theft and whatnot, but there's no reason that we can't just make it ourselves. Is it the fact that it came from Yeon that makes it special? Like DaVinci's art- it's really only that it's old and came from a famous painter. 
@𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆 if you need credits I'll happily give mine to you for like 25k each♥ I know you won't hoard them and just let them collect dust. I personally cannot afford credits, I only have like 3 dollars on my card at the moment :') I do fear that EV might disappear, so although I've put many hours into the game already, I don't want to waste what money I have.

@Lucia - We artists have rules like trade/giveaway only on some designs because it's unfair to pay for a design or character that someone got for free. Or don't resell for more then you paid unless additional art is added to the character. This is to help make it fair to everyone that everyone is buying a character or design for a reasonable and fair price. Though it's not always this way. We have rules to protect our art from theft and unfairness. Art isn't the only thing that is resold in the world or EV. Horses are constantly being bought and sold on EV as well. Characters are constantly being sold/resold. That is just a part of being a artist that creates designs and characters and sells them. Artists like me shouldn't have to give back our rightfully deserved EVD and EVC. What you don't realize is that the art community on EV has been on a major decline. There isn't much art to buy lately, and it's hard to sell things right now. This isn't our fault.

"If I don't participate in the horse side of EV, then why should artist's like me give away to benefit the horse side? We're just trying to get better at art, enjoy art, and make some kind of profit while letting others enjoy your art."

The reality is this is a HORSE GAME. Not an art community. We have plenty of art community websites for players to get better, enjoy, and make a profit. I have nothing against the artists and I do recognize that there are many talented artists. I do admire Maple, Yeon, and many others works. However, the problem is that their actions impact the gameplay. The fact that Yeon did a lot of raffles and giveaways does not change the fact that they have 300+ credits sitting in their account while we are facing a major supply and demand issue with credits. It doesn't change the fact that none of you are participating on the horses' side. It doesn't change the fact that you guys do not care how your actions impact the game. Your actions are making the game nearly unplayable due to economic imbalance. You guys can easily leave and go find another art community since there are plenty of active ones. I mean, Yeon obviously found someplace else to do their art. However, we can't just leave because there are only a few active horse games so we are stuck with a broken economy. If all artists are actively playing the game as well, then I don't mind because they will ensure that all money and credits are flowing back into the game. However, that isn't happening. There are many artists who are sitting on money and credits which created a major economic imbalance. 

Y'all are complaining about how we shifted our focus to artists instead of private breeders. You guys need to understand, the private breeders are being blamed for a long time when the root of problems actually are being led to economic imbalance, inflation, etc. The primary driver behind that is the art community. If we all switch to public breeding, we still will have a lot of problems because we still will have economic problems.

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What you don't realize is that the art community on EV has been on a major decline. There isn't much art to buy lately, and it's hard to sell things right now. This isn't our fault.

I already mentioned in another post that I am aware that the art community slowed down now. However, it does not change history. We are talking about years and years of art community hoarding and screwing up EV's economy. The entire game is in recession as the result.

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@ɦօʀֆɛɢɨʀʟ - to be fair, while I did not specify, I did not mean all of it, only a portion of it. And, if you don't spend it on anything or use it, there is literally no reason to have a ton of money. It's like having a big house but living in a tent in the backyard. 

My two cents about the economy situation -- I don't think it's fair to hold the art community responsible. It's not like they got their piles of money simply for existing -- they've earned it with their skill. A skill that takes a lot of time, dedication and wrist problems to master (seriously, draw on a regular basis and you'll probably have a crunchy wrist for life haha). As it's probably obvious by now, I'm an artist myself so I may be a little biased. But at the same time I don't sell art here on EV, so I hope my opinion will come as more or less neutral. What I know is that gatekeeping or antagonizing a group of players is quite a dysfunctional way to tackle the issue.

What could help, however, is making the credits more available within the regular gameplay process. If I'm not mistaken, now the only way to get credits "for free" is by logging in 28 days in a row, which is, well, quite stingy and completely excludes players who can't afford to log in every day due to IRL busyness. What if we could find credits during Leisure Riding activities (even if very rarely), and have credit rewards on seasonal events? That would already significantly boost the number of credits available to the non-artist players -- and, consequentially, help to naturally lower the credit price. 

just as a heads-up: i made a new thread here if people want to keep discussing this, as this has gone very off topic from what Olympea originally asked us.

@Lucia - If this is a horse game then why is half of the forums about ART? Many of the mods on the game are artists here as well. Yeon didn't leave EV to do their art elsewhere. Yeon left because their rules were constantly being broken by EV players. I'll admit it. I have 40 million in my bank account, and 5 EVC. Not all artists are good enough to make a large profit. Like I said. It took me YEARS to get the EVD I have. Sure I had friends that quit the game and generously gifted me some of their profit, but not everyone has to do that. The art community on EV is DYING. I can never sell my art, but that doesn't mean I'll give up. I will keep trying. And no. EV won't be EV without us artists. We aren't going to leave and give you all of our money just because you say so. Instead of constantly complaining about the art community being a part of EV for years, why don't you just find another game to play instead? It isn't our fault. EV is the only place I feel comfortable enough to share, sell, and buy art from. I am not leaving to do art anywhere else.

Rather than vouchers per horses owned, I think by player level would be more effective. That way it is more about gameplay than a scramble for horses? 

 If this is a horse game then why is half of the forums about ART? Many of the mods on the game are artists here as well.
Unfortunately, I think that's one of the biggest mistakes EV admins made. I am okay with arts but they should've regulated it more and monitored it more heavily. The moment the art community became bigger than the gameplay, that's when they should've done something. They didn't. Now, we are dealing with the consequences.

The art community on EV is DYING.
The ENTIRE game is dying. I know you don't participate in the game side so you may not realize this but the game side is dying for a long time. The art community collapsed much faster and dramatically, IMO. But it doesn't change the fact that the horse side is dying as well. I supposed you can compare the art community with the Roaring 20s and the Great Depression while comparing the horse's side to the USA's general economy in the past 50 years. That's why I refused to buy credits with IRL money. I've seen all similar signs that all other games had before they disappeared. The entire EV is dying.

@ Lucia - If you're so pressed about the game dying, then why are you still here? I'm sorry but it seems that you complain about a lot of the features of the game and it comes off as you being unhappy as a whole with the game. If that's the case, then in all seriousness and curiosity, why are you still here? I'm not trying to be rude, but just about every comment that I've seen you post in the forums is something negative.

Oh man this thread took a hard turn in a different direction. The question was specifically about private breeding, not the art community and EVC prices. But on that note, here is my opinion.

I think it’s rather bold of anyone the assume any money spent on art would otherwise be spent on other people’s horses. Also, if you’re private breeding and not buying or selling any horses, you wouldn’t benefit anyways. For you in particular Lucia, you have plenty of first gen horses, and when it comes to breeding time if you wanted to sell second gens, they’d sell like hot cakes. I sell so many low gen foals and I almost never have an issue having them sell. Be the change you want to see in the horse market. The only things I see people struggling to sell anymore are long lined “finished” horses. People want things they can work on more than the ones that are “done”. So, it’s weird to me you complain about a market you don’t actually participate in by keeping everything private.

Also, the credit sales section is such a whirlwind. I’ve been on here a long time and have watched the sales hit 500-800k each at random times for YEARS. This isn’t a new thing. People get bold and try their luck.

It’s also rather bold of anyone to think they’re entitled to anyone else’s credits. I have over 100 and I’m doing nothing with them. But I do play the horse side so is that ok then? Maybe yeon wants to spend all those 300 credits on grey tweaks for the horse army they plan on amassing on day. I mean maybe not, but who am I to say what they can and can’t do with those credits. And spending credits on in game tweaks, and auto show, and auto care, and all that also benefits no one but the individual who has the credits.

But I digress. Either way, this was a question about private breeding and my opinion still stands. While I understand private breeding, it does hurt the horse market, because you aren’t buying or selling anything into that market. We need more low gen horses being sold, and private breeding doesn’t fix that. But as always, every person is allowed to play this game however it suits them, and I’d never ask anyone to change their ways just to benefit myself.

@ Deer Creek,

There's a difference between negativity and wanting EV to be revived. I see the potential in EV. It's an amazing game that should be revived, IMO. It's shame that the majority of the community seems to be hell-bent set on doing nothing and killing off the game for good.
I posted a lot of suggestions because there are a lot of places that could use some improvements. At least I am offering many different suggestions and ideas on how to improve the game so EV can be revived. If you consider suggestions as complaining and me being unhappy, then that's your problem, not mine. If EV does disappear overnight, I can confidently say that I tried. I, along with many other players, offered a lot of suggestions and ideas and if EV decided to not improve, then that's their fault, not mine.

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@Lucia - I'm not saying that your suggestions are you complaining. You do have valid questions and that's good. I'm just saying that the replies that you've made on the suggestions and the replies that I've seen you make on other posts come off as negative. I'm not the only one that sees that either. I don't want this game to die either, but when you come after literally half of the game's community there is going to be backlash. 


EDIT: I'm done commenting on this thread. I will only be commenting on the Art Price thread from here out.

Last edited on 2022-11-23 at 11:54:34 by Deer Creek