*Selling horses for EVC

When you put a horse up for sale you only have the option to sell for EVD, maybe there could be an option for EVC, limits could be put in place so no-ones trying to sell their horse for 100+ EVC however, this is just a suggestion and i could see many people disagree due to the current crisis that is the credit sales right now and the very stagnant sales, however it was just a thought i had while looking for new Clydesdales.

I'd love to hear your input to whether you agree or disagree c:

Last edited on 2019-03-04 at 11:19:07 by River

I feel like it would be a harmless option to add. Although I see no reason to limit how many EVC someone would be able to ask for a horse. That is like saying we can only ask so much EVD for a horse. If it were to ever be implemented then it should be done without restriction.  

<sup>On the fence about this.

The only problem I could see would be if people only list for EVC and refuse all EVD offers, which would be even worse for the market, and taking current credit prices into account would skew horse values in a weird way. You might ask 1 credit for a horse and expect 250k for it according to sales when no one would pay that unless the horse was some super rare one of a kind pedigree/breeding lol.

There has been occasions where people have offered me EVC or credit items instead of EVD but I think it's helpful in pushing towards using the trading feature. I would prefer private trades as an alternative suggestion to this.</sup>

I think I'd agree but something bothers me and I can't exactly explain it that well (also correct me if I'm wrong about anything since I only started a few months ago, and when I first came across EV several years ago it was incredibly different).

Like it seems the worth of credits is a bit crazy right now. If a horse was priced at 1 EVC, based on the market price that's a 200K-300K horse! For players who go by the 50K-70K rule it makes more sense. There seems to be a disconnect between EVC that's being used for non-deluxe purposes (mainly art sales, where EVC is usually worth much less) and EVC that's being sold, I don't have a very good concept of how these sorts of things work but would that itself cause any problems with EVC in horse sales? Not to mention putting up horses for stud and selling horses at prices that are fair to the seller is hard enough right now using just EVD, with newer players being able to grab quality horses for 1K or even lower if they just look hard enough. So how would having EVC as an option change things? My worry is that horses being sold for EVC might end up harder to sell.

I mean personally I'd love to able to sell horses for EVC! Seeing as my 'save up money for a deluxe account' idea has been only getting enough for 1 EVC every 1 month or so, I'd never be able to consistently have a deluxe account lol. But that's just from how it'd affect me.

Last edited on 2019-02-11 at 13:58:18 by BubblesTheSandDragon

I agree with Maple, some method of using trades, whether that's as-is or introducing private ones, would be the most practical away to allow this to happen without turning the market on its head.

@ maple; i see where you're coming from, coming from before the re-code where credits = 50k it would seem like a viable option, but with the current market i see why trades and pushing for that method seems more useful.

@ bubbles; in my opinion the credit market is in shambles, i've seen people try and sell their credits for 400k and the average currently is 200k per credit. i think that's mainly due too the players who dominated the credit sales and where able to purchase and sell credits for a cheaper price (50k to 75k) aren't active anymore so when there is credits, being sold for cheaper they either get grabbed up quickly or sold on again for 2 to 3 times the original price. so i see why selling a horse for credits is almost ridiculous just for the simple fact it'd be like selling a horse for 200k+.

i guess this is where trades would come into to play if we're going of from credits = 200k each if you end up offering on multiple horses offering credits through a trade seems more ideal and wouldn't seem as if they're being over-priced, but i guess it varies from player to player and what they believe their horse is worth and whether or not they believe credits = 200k on average or between 50k and 75k each.

You can sell horses for credits in trades already.  I don't think many people choose that option because credit prices fluctuate so much.

The credits in the credit market are high priced.  However, if you advertise in the Classifieds that you are willing to pay $50,000 per credit, and say how many credits you want, someone is usually happy to buy them for you.

In order to get prices lowered in credit sales, it would be necessary for enough people to sell credits at the lower prices that there would always be some available.  Also, people would have to refuse to buy at the higher prices.  But people aren't doing that, because apparently there are enough people willing to pay those higher prices to make it profitable for the sellers.  It's not broken - it's just how economics work.  We've remained fairly stable for quite a while in the $100,000 to $200,000 per credit range.  If that price is truly objectionable, then enough people need to be willing to invest in credits enough to undercut the higher prices.

Seems to me that the credit economy is doing the opposite of the horse economy, but for the same reason - people have decided that horses are worth a certain traditional amount, and credits are worth another traditional amount, and aren't willing to adjust their thinking.  But horses don't sell well when priced that high, and credits sell well without pricing that low.  It's up to people to adjust to the realities of the market, or else to be willing to invest in ways that change how the market runs (like consistently buying credits and selling them for the price you think they should be worth, or only buying horses that are priced how you think horses should be priced.)

So, the credit market is not broken - it's just reflecting reality.  It's working just fine for those who are willing to pay the price, and there are other options for those who are not.