[ADDED] *Make Cubes More Rare

i agree 100% with nebula. 
i do think cubes should be less common, and i don't really mind how that is done (whether by reducing the frequency they are given out or reducing the number of uses they have or some alternate method)

I don't know why hay cubes per use was made so high in the first place - from someone that doesnt use them at all (I feel its a bit cheaty and also I won't spend the money on conversations!) 

I always thought it a tad unfair you could get 10 uses of a supposedly "special more stat giving per use item" than finding a discipline specific treat like a carrot for example. But that's by the by & I sucked it up & just sold any cubes (sugar & hay) to fund the purchase of discipline specific treats from the store/market trade/other players etc I suppose thereby funding a small part of EVs economy ... so maybe theses treats have their place just knock down the "use per find"

I am still a believer in EV being able to be played freely so if players want to treat with cubes fine. But these same players cannot then complain when cubed horses don't sell when others on EV won't/don't touch a cubed horse!! There is a trade off to the easy route to higher stats. That is is. The potential struggle to sell the animal. If the show system wasnt so low non spec oriented these cubed horses might not be so alienated but it is, so nothing will be changing anytime soon.

Last edited on 2018-08-12 at 10:32:39 by Fabelhaft [WBs/Friesians]

Don't support, I see no point in it. I don't think it will have the affect that some of the supporters are hoping for. 

Thank you for posting your thoughts!

I'm on the fence.
Because making hay cubes more rare than they're now probably won't fix the horse market. Same with the cap on EC since there's no problem with foundation horses.

Many people who use hay cubes (including me) do it on horses that will be converted. There are many motivations behind that and it's fine as long as this horses are converted before breeding. And while we're talking about new players haycubing their horses...well, horses can be ruined by using apples, carrots and turnips too...for example I was treating with red apples my first dressage horses.

The biggest pain in current breeding system is the fact that non-spec stats are almost impossible to be breed down and if a player make a tiny mistake at the beginning of their game there's no way to fix it in future generations. Cubes aren't as guilty as it seems to be - players with some experience in game will avoid them/convert horses/not breed "unfixed" ones while new players still will be doing mistakes because...they're new in this game (and many may not be active on forums - also, to be honest, I feel like tutorial should give more informations about the gameplay).

People who would like to have their horses haycubed after making cubes more rare will be force to spend more money than now (buying cubes plus 10k for converting every single horse). There are a lot cubes now and it will take some time before players run out from them but I'm not sure if we want to have another treats that will be worth 3k per use like peppermints. Even if they're more common and will be worth like 1,5k per use - it's still a lot of money.

Also I have 8000 uses of hay cubes in inventory, recently I traded in 5000 uses or more plus I always trade in all my sugar cubes. It's an extra cash.

So, uhm, I feel like the only way to fix the market is to give players the opportunity to fix non-specs on horses with pedigree. I know that Abbey doesn't want to make non-specs able to be breed down so that I thought about making second conversion cheaper (maybe 50k EVD instead of 2 EVC) and including some EVC items (discipline applicator (5EVC)/randomizer (3EVC)?) which would set non-specs to under 65 and toss remaining stats into specialty (with a little decrease of total stats (like...2% or something) no matter if you want to convert horse from eg. racing to dressage or from racing to racing.
Mess in pedigrees? Yes. I know that it will cause mess in pedigrees.
But there's enough mess with pre-recode and post-recode pedigrees plus we can "fix" colors and markings on non-foundation horses, change specialty multiple times during horse's life and little players really bothers it...

Last edited on 2018-08-12 at 12:59:50 by Royal Storm

I do believe that the cubes uses or frequency could go down quite a bit and probably help the market in the process.
I have over 35,000 uses of hay cubes in my inventory and while I use them quite a lot on my foals before converting, the number never goes down. Now, I do not believe it should become as rare as peppermints or winners circles but kicking it down a notch will actually bring back worth to the item as it used to have.

I do not support this because of the blatant annoyance people have for those that like cubed horses though. If people want to cube their horses and breed them, it is not our call to change that. I know this is not the main point but I believe I saw someone bring up cube bred horses into the discussion. 

But overall I support.

Just for fun, found THIS OLD POST. Someone else has already suggested this idea of making cubes more rare daaaaays ago. Post is labeled as "added" yet cubes are still EVERYWHERE?

I think it is incorrect to state that cubed horses are not a problem as there is proof here, in writing from multiple members, that even if its just to them, cubed horses are a problem. I personally agree cubed horses are a problem. They are the reason I am not purchasing outside horses, because too many of them were cubed and in my breeding program I only want horses that will perform well in shows and well, cubed horses will not do that, so I do not want them. I have 4 million evd in my bank account, its not that i cant/wont/dont want to convert a horse, its the fact that a lot of the time I cant see what a horse's base stats are, so I don't want to risk purchasing a horse that even with conversion, will not be useful to my program. That in itself is an issue that has been suggested to be fixed. However, the cubing is still an issue because a lot of the times horses have already been converted once and with the crappy current prices of credits, I cannot afford to convert a horse a second time if they have been messed up by being cubed. There are LOTS of horses for sale that have already been converted and were still fed cubes or are being fed cubes and therefor STILL being messed up when it comes to show performance, so therefor the cubing is the problem. I dont think the importance of non specialty stats and when to/when to not cube your horses has been emphasized enough, but it IS a problem.

Edit: to bring purpose to my comment based on this post, I will add that by reducing cubes and making them less common, members wont abuse them and feed them when it is no longer beneficial as they wont want to waste their uses, just like peppermints. You dont see many, if any, horses being fed peppermints their entire lives right now because peppermints are limited and it would be wasteful to feed them to horses that are intended to be show horses or match the way the showing system is currently set up because uses are limited. Nobody is asking to make cubes as rare as peppermints, we are asking for them to not be as common as regular treats. And sometimes, not everyone can get what they want. If we were to try and please everybody, equiverse just wouldnt function. If we have to displease a few members in order to benefit the majority of equiverse, thats what has to happen. There are things that have been changed about Equiverse that I dont like but I have adjusted and adapted, not complained or thrown a fit about it. Things have to change in order for the game to work, and pleasing everybody is not what will always be best for Equiverse. You cant complain about the way the game is now but be so dead set against a change that will more likely than not be beneficial to equiverse and make it better.


Last edited on 2018-08-12 at 20:20:07 by wey

I would also like to see some version of this implemented. Either increasing the rarity or simply decreasing the number of uses (1-5 would be better then 10) or replace cubes (hay and sugar) with a new treat that adds more stats between the two specialty stats (could just change sugar, hay and peppermints? while also having sugar and hay cubes more rare)

I have one group of 10 foundations that I cubed from foals until around 8 and then converted, and have since not used them (it's too easy to do it wrong for me) I now just sell them all back to the store. 

Also I show my horses regularly (within 15-100 stats of their grade depending if it's N/L/R/Na/I) and since the last showing fix my showing results have been reasonably predicable and stable. Personally I don't think showing is buggy anymore, if you care for your horses and have 5/5 tack for them and they are close to the top of their grade they should do well.

I also see a big issue in the market with horses that are cubed (people using cubes to then convert are not an issue as those horses would not be posted for sale or available for public breeding) it makes it really hard to find good outside stock to buy or to breed to. Horses that are cross discipline breed are a whole other issue!

 

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I think Sugar cubes should be drop all together since they give no better than stat specific treats, and randomly at that.
As for Hay cubes, how about lowering the uses to 5? Maybe that way they're "rarer", but not so hard to get for free in normal gameplay that players who don't use them can get away with price gouging?

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Last edited on 2019-05-11 at 04:03:51 by tundastruck Mustangs

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