What will it look like?

I want to breed one of my horses, but don't know what the foal will look like.


So, to get straight to the point, what color will the foal be if I breed this mare to this stud?

I don't believe the coat color calculator I use has Liver Chestnut as an option, so I can't tell what color the foal will be if I breed them.

Well, liver chestnut is the same thing as chestnut, just a different shade.

You also don't have the genotype revealed, so it's hard to tell.

But since both are base colors, the foal with either be:

- Chestnut
- Bay
- Black

Last edited on 2017-02-13 at 15:55:17 by Pistol

Oh, thanks Pistol.

to really know the possible outcomes for the foal, the mare's genotype should be revealed. since color is predicted from genes. but because the stud is homozygous for the black allele (EE), i would guess that the foal would definitely be bay.

if the mare, if you reveal her genotype, is homozygous for chestnut (AA), than the foal would be bay. but if she's Aa, then there is a chance for black, 25% chance i believe. but i'm not exactly sure since i'm not the best with percentages.

oops, pistol beat me to it.

Last edited on 2017-02-13 at 15:39:30 by ιlѕa

Liver chestnut on EV is actually chestnut with sooty, so there's a chance the mare will pass that on. The foal will either be black, bay, or sooty bay.

Yep, the stud is homozygous for black (EE), so the foal can't be chestnut or liver chestnut. UlyssesBlue is spot on.

the mare is aa (found via horse search using genetic parameters) which means the foal will defintely be black.

however, the genetic search also doesn't recognize her as having the Sooty gene. There's either something wonky with her genetics (which would be fairly easy to see with a genetic color reveal) or there's something up with the search function.

No she is sooty. She's STYsty on the search.

Even with the mare being aa, the foal could still be bay. The stud is Aa.

So, the genetics would run like this:

Mare: ee aa STYsty (Liver Chestnut)
Stud: EE Aa stysty (Bay)

Foal: Ee Aa STYsty (Sooty Bay)
Ee aa STYsty (Black carrying sooty)
Ee Aa stysty (Bay)
Ee aa stysty (Black)

Each of these possibilities has a 25% chance of happening. So, most likely, your foal will be black (but may carry sooty) but could also be bay or sooty bay.

third possibility: i can't read or remember anything :D I was thinking the stud was black.

Confessor is right, though i still can't make the mare show up using any combination of the sooty genotype :/

I'm also thinking of breeding two others, and I can't figure out what color the foal will be. The horses: Sunset Sky and this broodmare, ✭ Kanatina [E]

It appears that Sunset Sky is Ee Aa SbSb. Kanatina is Ee aa Crcr Dd Zz.

The genetics will be more complicated with this, so I will break it down into sections.

Extension and Agouti (for base color):

Mare: Ee aa (Black)
Stud: Ee Aa (Bay)
Foal: EE Aa (Bay) (12.5%)
Ee Aa (Bay) (25%)
EE aa (Black) (12.5%)
Ee aa (Black) (25%)
ee Aa (Chestnut) (12.5%)
ee aa (Chestnut) (12.5%)

This means that your foal will have a 37.5% chance of being bay, a 37.5% chance of being black, and a 25% chance of being chestnut.

Markings:

Mare: no markings
Stud: SbSb
Foal: Sb+ (100%)

This means all foals would be heterozygous sabino, which means the more minimally expressed marking.

Cream and Dun:

Mare: Crcr Dd
Stud: crcr dd
Foal: Crcr Dd (25%)
Crcr dd (25%)
crcr Dd (25%)
crcr dd (25%)

This means that 25% of the foals would be heterozygous cream and dun. On bay, that would be Dunskin (about 9%), on black it would be Smoky Black Dun (about 9%), and on chestnut it would be Dunalino (6.25%).

Also, 25% of the foals would be heterozygous cream only (about 9% buckskin, about 9% smoky black, and 6.25% palomino) and 25% would be heterozygous dun only (about 9% classic dun, about 9% grullo, and about 6.25% red dun.) 25% of the foals would have no dun or cream (9% bay, 9% black, and 6.25% chestnut.)

Finally, the silver:

Mare: Zz
Stud: zz
Foal: Zz (50%)
zz (50%)

Half of the foals will be heterozygous silver, and half will have no silver. (Silver does not show on chestnut bases, so any foal with a chestnut base would merely carry silver.)

Final score:

Silver Dunskin Sabino (4.5%)
Dunskin Sabino (4.5%)
Silver Buckskin Sabino (4.5%)
Buckskin Sabino (4.5%)
Silver Classic Dun Sabino (4.5%)
Classic Dun Sabino (4.5%)
Silver Bay Sabino (4.5%)
Bay Sabino (4.5%)
Silver Smoky Black Dun Sabino (4.5%)
Smoky Black Dun Sabino (4.5%)
Silver Smoky Black Sabino (4.5%)
Smoky Black Sabino (4.5%)
Silver Grullo Sabino (4.5%)
Grullo Sabino (4.5%)
Silver Black Sabino (4.5%)
Black Sabino (4.5%)
Dunalino Sabino (6.25%)
Palomino Sabino (6.25%)
Red Dun Sabino (6.25%)
Chestnut Sabino (6.25%)

(percentages won't add to exactly 100%, since all the 4.5% are rounded.)

Something non-genetic to be aware of in this pairing is that the mare has high strength, intelligence, and endurance stats. If you intend to show this foal, she might not be the best pick for you, because that strength stat will hold it back in Endurance and the intelligence stat will hold it back in Driving.