EQ Economy and Weekly Allowance

There is a huge difference between a handout and an economy that works from the bottom up. Just saying.

Also, while art is great, I am under the impression that things are supposed to run in a way that you can succeed without being an artist. This is a horse game that also does art, not an art game that also does horses. The game should work for beginner non-artists.

It should also work for those who are unable to afford EVC. There's a lot of kids on this game who don't have incomes, not to mention adults who struggle for money. This game is intended to work for everyone, not just the ones who can invest real money. Of course, it's a lot easier if you can, but it should still work if you can't.

Also, remember, you earned your money under a different system. A steady, reliable income of several thousand a week is a lot easier to work with than a quarter of a percentage point of a small amount of money a day. People on the bottom of the economic ladder are not making enough money a day to buy feed for their horses, even when they have less than ten.

If we want to go all Lord of the Flies, and be fine with it being absolutely impossible to play without investing large amounts of real life money, we could always eliminate a regular income altogether. Everyone can just sell art and EVC.

Or we could realize that even the small players are an important part of the game, and build an economy that works. Luckily, I believe that is Abbey's goal.

This thread, and the commentary of those who are struggling, is important, because it lets Abbey know exactly what isn't working, how, and who is impacted. That way, she can tweak things to make this a vibrant, enjoyable place for all players.

Well said Confessor.

Thank you, Confessor, for stating what I was trying to say only much better.

Those getting in a huff need to realize this isn't trying to disparage all the fantastic work Abbey put into this version of EV. We're trying to give input to make it smoother. Just because it's new doesn't mean we're not allowed to have opinions.

Neither is anyone disparaging anyone else's hard work put in before now. But if you aren't making money, you can't invest it in anything.

Last edited on 2016-02-19 at 18:36:52 by ₸ayzz

..I'll point out that all the credits I have was via buying them with EVD. I think that I've only spent $20 on the game, and that was to get the last few EVC to get my unlimited upgrade.

You don't need to spend RL money to get credits on games. On any game I play, I spend next to nothing because I pay for it all with game cash. It takes a little something called, surprise!, work.

I have been playing since 2011, and honestly up until the recode was about to go into effect, I never had that much money. I survived on a low amount of money with no extra income other then my horses, several times hitting the bottom due to my love of art, lol.

I don't sell my horses, breeding just for me unless someone asks, my Halfies (now Fries) which were my big breed for awhile, I kept and keep just for me (minus a few "strays" I keep my eye on from my earlier days). Yet even with all of that and hitting the bottom, I found I could soon get back to a good place, with just my horses. You have to learn to control your art impulses, sometimes giving yourself a limit on what you spend on it for a month. You also can't go around buying all the pretty horses, something that I was guilty of in my earlier days, especially when the first round of breed art happened XD

Only once I got my Tekes did I start studding my horses out, and for first gene I did 5k studs and for ever generation after that I have only added 2k per a stud, with a limit of three outside foals with a total of four foals per a stally and not all of the studs reach that number so yeah. And once all of the "good breeders" or "established breeders* have one of them, if they are a clean line breeder they won't be breeding to my horses again or if they are just clean first page breeders then at least a few generations.

So essentially we "establish breeders" that go for clean lines /want to attract those with clean lines need to "restart" at the beginning every few generations to really keep some of our fellow "established breeders" happy. Which means we will sink a lot of money back into a new line of whatever breed, starting at the beginning once more and unless you are crazy (or just not paying attention like I was one time ) and you are trying to breed down to one foal like I do, your not going to get more then 32 horses, cause let me tell you 64 was way to much for me, lol. You may be able to buy more special treats then you could have with your first generation, but other then that there really isn't much you can do to make your horses better so that they get more money.

What I am currently winning with my horses is going right back into them, whether it is with treats or updating tack or (for the brief blip it was here so far) training. But that is because I lost control with the new art and bought a few new appys and Vanners as well as having just started up mustangs again right before the recode, so even though I have several lines that are a couple of generations along, one of which are still foals so also are not making me money, they are just covering what my new generations are costing me.

I'm not, nor have I ever been an art seller (minus those sad princess ponehs that some people made pity buys on XD) and have sold evc on occasion, but usually only if an artist preferred evd over them, so not for me to keep lol. I have survived and if I were a better saver I would be a couple million solid since my horses have earned a lot in the years I have been there. It may take time and self control, but anyone can become rich :)

Wow, Confessor, you took the words right out of my mouth. :) The amount of stuff you have to pay for here is also something to be said about. It's all realistic, mind, but where are the new players supposed to get all the money to pay for boarding, feed, treats, showing, tack, etc... Do you really expect them to just play with one horse for months on end? Only to not be able to breed it later more than likely because it doesn't have the amount of stats needed to get a decent breeding? The other day, I asked "how many horses would you need to keep your lines going because this new version doesn't let you inbreed?" I was told 100 horses. ...where is a new player going to get that kind of money? They can barely afford a couple of horses now (and I'm being generous lol). This is the third recode I've been on (the two other sites have been up and running well now) but this is the only site with major issues for new players / people who can't donate real money.

I don't know what that person is doing, but i've had established thoroughbred lines for 2 years and never needed 100 horses. 100 horses would drive me insane. To avoid inbreeding you don't breed relatives, why would you need 100 horses for that? You use your head and avoiding inbreeding is easy, especially with locking divisions.

I said if you wanted to keep going for 7 generations (~2.5 years worth of work) you'd need 100 horses (however I also indicated that buying pairs every three weeks was what I intended to do). You could buy 2 now, 2 more in a week, etc. to spread the cost out. lolz

LMAO, sorry Aglet! I thought they said 100 horses to start out with xD Spreading them out like that would be even easier than 100.

Hehe or you could be like Wiki who bought 64 Tekes by accident and as soon as that first gene was bred, bought 32 new ones with plans to have the two lines someday converge. Wiki has all her names picked down to the last foal for those lines. Wiki is a little to well planned on her Tekes (Wiki should also be referring to herself as Rey for those that don't know she is Wiki XD).

Yes 100 horses would be crazy, I'm sorry if that is what Endless took me to be saying in my post I was trying to give an example of how generations work and how they 1/2 every time you breed them.

I probably was being too vague, aggie has problems with that sometimes.

Ah, ok, that makes more sense. But still, they're not going to have the money to buy horses spread out if they have no way to make money to begin with. Even if they go the route of taking rc horses to be cheap (which, I'm thinking that's only lasting so long because only people who wanted to import their accounts are on here right now... but that's not reliable either since not only will their breed need to be in there once they have the horse they're right back to not being able to afford caring for it). This game needs player jobs or something, telling people to lock "bad" horses (it's their first game handed horse... it's supposed to be bad but also earn them a living in some way...) and just what? Live off bank interest of $100/a day? That's not encouraging anyone to come back and continue playing this game.

I think for one peoples expectations are too high. The game is designed to require some work to be able to succeed.

Starting out with 20, 30, 100 horses when new to the game will mean you have NO FUNDS with or without a weekly allowance. treats, upgraded tack and a host of other things aren't necessary for daily play, they are "add-ons" for others who can afford them. If someone is frugal there is no reason to not be able to survive on what they earn from daily interest, games, fountain, junkyard item sales, rides etc. let alone down the line from horse shows (when they improve), stud fees, horse sales etc.

My income from Coin Toss & Higher or Lower today was $8,589.
Fountain gave me $3,936
I found 3 apples playing Apple Bobbing
Junk Yard gave me a Tack Box - selling it at a "loss" can easily get me $500 in the item market if not more.

If I assume the above is average and have a string of 12 horses that is little over $1k earned from games etc per horse....not hard to keep them sustained daily from that or even profit.

I've personally not done layouts in years (prior income earner) and fail at art (failed in school too). I have made majority of my income simply from playing the game.

In regards to the inbreeding issue and so called "100" horses.....I think you are referring more to people who don't want a horse to show up more than once in a pedigree EVER which really.....isn't too realistic. Learning the difference between INBREEDING and LINE BREEDING would be a big help; I personally line breed and have a much larger string than normal currently of 67 horses (multiple gens, quite a few twins), typically I have 6 pairs on the go at any time and have no issues with inbreeding as I add in store stock often.

I'm starting up a string of 12 horses on my main - we shall see if in the next few weeks if playing the game itself is too costly or not =)

Last edited on 2016-02-19 at 19:32:15 by roXas

Also, IMHO- it's not hard to care for a horse daily- you buy one bag of feed and if you go on pleasure rights you can get free treats.

Single apples/carrots/turnips only give 0-1 stat points vs 0-2 for bagged treats.