Moving Dead Weight Stats

So I bought a bunch of foundation Lipizzaners before AND after the recode. Some of them I put their specialty as driving just to "convert" to dressage that same day, thinking it would move the stats....but it didn't seem to change much. The stats are basically still evenly distributed among all.

But when I converted some of my older horses (example on another account: Bilirubin ) who were actually trained in driving, and switched to dressage, there is now hardly any "dead weight" stats (Yay). I'm not sure why converting training is not working so well for the foundations.

Did I just convert too soon? Should I have kept them on driving but treated for dressage until they were 3, then convert? Would that make the stats move more and get rid of the "dead weight stats?" Or should I have kept them on driving and treated for driving, then when they reached 3 then switch?

It wouldn't have moved them more. Horses are born with "base stats" that don't change. The only stats that move across are stats that have been gained over their lifetime. Foundations have more dead weight stats because they're foundation, pedigree horses, especially if they're bred in the same discipline will be born with less deadweight stats, hence the different between them.

What Maple says. Inherited stats (or birth stats for a foundation) will not change when you change specialties. Only acquired stats change. The way to make a specialty change work for you is to put a horse in the wrong specialty, and then give it the special treats (like peppermints or hay cubes) that give extra stats, but in random areas, usually before the horse turns 3, and then swap specialties. That way you get the benefit of the extra stat gain, but not the handicap of the deadweight stats.

I have found that sometimes a few (not many) of the birth stats will change when you change specialties. It doesn't work with foundation horses, and apparently not 2nd generation horses either, but sometimes a few of my more lined horses will lose two or three non-specialty birth stats when I swap them. I think it may be because the game calculates a foal's stats partially from direct inheritance from the parents (stats that will never change) and a few from some other, unspecified source. I theorize that maybe they get those stats from ancestors further back than the parents, since it never happens to horses that do not have grandparents, but happens pretty consistently with horses that do. Apparently these stats are considered "acquired" stats, not "inherited" stats, so they change when you change specialties.

On further inspection, I am kind of amazed by your horse, Bilirubin. I have never seen a 2nd generation horse with such low non-specialty stats. But his parents have impossibly low stats, overall, and are shown to be no-breeds. Maybe that has something mysterious to do with it.

^ That sounds like the bonus from the lines coming into play, it'd make sense for those to be acquired because they're not calculated from the parents stats to form base stats, they're added on as bonus acquired stats.

Bilirubin's parents looked glitched to me ha, I want to say they were bred young hence the low stats but because the parents are glitchy that's why the stats transferred like that. Because with stats like those it'd make sense for the foal of them to have almost non-existent non-specialty stats, hence the weird transfer.

I think Bilirubin was transferred into the game as a no-breed; whenever you specialty swap no-breeds their non-specialty stats drop to nothing.

my two no-breeds for example:
Canine Unit
Gravity Falls

Last edited on 2016-07-19 at 07:24:58 by insomniaglet

Hmm maybe Bilirubin is a bad example because his parents look glitchy. But this horse Baratheon and Stark also have no dead-weight stats after converting training, and both are homebred and were not a no-breed. I'm guessing they were born with more than 3 "base" stats in all the non-specialty areas based on their parents stats, but somehow those dead weight stats were moved.

I guess I'll experiment and see if there is some trick. I think I'm also going to suggest a credit item.

That is a significant dip in dead weight. Far bigger than I've ever seen on my own horses. Were they born before or after the update? I'm wondering if changing the specialty of a horse born before the update reacts differently than one born after. That's the only thing I can think of.

It looks to me like they came from the old game (based on their birthday which is recorded at 2-13-2016, the birthdate of most transferred horses).

I have some horses born before the update I'll covert their stats and see what happens.

Well this seems to have done some interesting things for my horse:

went from :
STR: 8
SPD: 305
AGI: 9
INT: 299
END: 9
ALL: 630

to

STR: 2
SPD: 312
AGI: 1
INT: 314
END: 1
ALL: 630

so they all dropped by about 8 points, which is fairly significant when you consider how low they were to begin with. :)

Last edited on 2016-07-21 at 18:27:03 by insomniaglet