Gelding Incentives

I do understand they would need training to win, I was not necessarily meaning a horse with higher or lower. I was more referring to equal standing. If using your equation, your stallion would only win purely because it is just one-lucky-mister to get higher than the gelding during training lol

If the perks were included, the gelding of EQUAL starting point will train faster. So you will NEVER have a stallion or mare higher than the gelding if the same effort was applied. That edge during the training will then cascade into winnings and winnings also reward more. Soon enough the distance between the two will change, a gelding will NEVER be equal to a mare or stallion with perks.

Finally, at the end of the day - what was the point? You have a wonderful gelding with, as example, 500 overall stats, but your time and effort cannot be passed on into a legacy - no matter how bad you think the horse was when your first started 500 stats puts that horse in a good league now.

If the advantage of gelding perks will not interfere too much with the overall scheme of things, then why bother giving them perks at all? Use the geldings you have now, exactly how you would intend to use them if they had perks.

I am really sorry, this sounds absolutely harsh now - I just needed to get this reasoning out into the open lol

I totally agree with Dawn. Gelding perks were made for games that were less breeding focused, and overall, much different than ev in terms of how horses got points.

I have to say dawn hit the nail on the head,

In real life registry shows yes geldings are shown in YOUTH classes as anyone under 18 cannot show or handle a stallion. In real life registry shows they make emphasis on stallion/mare classes not essentially gelding classes.

In real life gelding cannot be reversed, in real life any injury/illness rendering an animal unfit for breeding they are usually culled from breeding and either gelded and used for youth classes if their mind allows or sold to homes that either/unfortunately don't put strain on that current owner.

In real life show points mean money, show points mean breeding fees and worth. In real life test scores in dressage, times in a jumpers ring, clear jumps and wins on a hunters course mean potential in a foal.

All things you cannot accomplish with a gelding.

Yes, in real life horses don't pass on their show experience to their foals. They pass on conformation, color, personality. Equiverse is different because horses do pass on show experience. That means geldings shouldn't get any perks, because they can't pass it on.

Still, It's a game. If you don't like it because one tiny feature is added, don't play. I think Gelding(s) Perks should be added, but the 'percentage' of it should be lowered. I mean, we gotta give geldings a little love too. If you don't want to own geldings then don't. I think It would be a nice feature to the game. Plus, no one said EV had to be realistic as possible. Some parts of the game aren't realistic.

Like I was saying before,

Training Increase: 25-50% increase in stats earned after using the stat boost points
Showing Increase: 0-10% increase in the secret luck factor for showing

Could be changed to:

Training Increase: 15% increase in stats earned after using the stat boost points
Showing Increase: 5% increase in the secret luck factor for showing


Edit:I'm not trying to offend anyone or sound rude. That is just my opinion.

Not to be rude, but, K a l i m e r a, if gelding "Perks" were added... What is the point of playing? Geldings would officially get more shows experience, etc. And as Misty says, horses do pass those on, but geldings would not. Meaning... your foals would not be as good for new players who are still beginning out as their breeding horses would be beaten by the geldings that players own and are taking all the winnings... Because they have the "Perks" to do so.

And personally I wouldn't own a gelding on games period, there is no reason to because they wouldn't help in bettering my horses in any way other then people who have them would take much of the winnings and experience in shows rather then the Mare and Stallions who will lack those "Perks".

I am seriously trying not to sound too blunt, or rude here. But gelding "Perks" would not help the game in any way other then for those who breed too much and they geld all these foals and now also want a reason to keep the geldings they have. If you want a gelding, then show it how it is. Because "Perks" would only lesson your stallions and mares in shows.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but that is a strong point I believe in with geldings in games, if they can't breed, they are no use to the game as that would be wasted time spent on training and showing something you can't even carry on in the lines.

Last edited on 2016-05-14 at 08:47:35 by Western Outback Stables

"In real life show points mean money, show points mean breeding fees and worth. In real life test scores in dressage, times in a jumpers ring, clear jumps and wins on a hunters course mean potential in a foal.

All things you cannot accomplish with a gelding."


By that logic, geldings have no business being in a show ring at all. That's bullhockey in my opinion. Not everybody shows for money, fame, or breeding. A lot of people do it for the fun of the sport, and everything else are just perks. Whether a horse is a stallion or a gelding has no weight on whether or not it will get the scores and win a competition.

As far as the idea of perks in-game go, I'm neutral.

I somewhat agree with you v o s, took me awhile to understand your point, until I read that your neutral in this debate... thing?

Other then that, you are right, geldings have no use in the show ring, and if someone wanted them, I'm not stopping people from using them, or even just having them. Though for a game, everybody is showing for either money, fame or breeding, to build them self to the top. Sure, in real life you can show for fun, but because this is not real life, and there is no joy or fun in just showing your horses and not getting anything out of it... because your not really there to ride, or see or enjoy with just showing horses. So that is the point of all the other things included and why people play the game, because it is a lot of fun receiving something your horses win.

I hope that didn't come out harsh, and I actually made sense... It made sense to me, but writing out what it going through my head is much harder. Anyways, I don't mind geldings, I really don't, just giving them "Perks" is not a good idea for a game being about showing and breeding your horses and continuing lines to build a great stable.

That was my point vos :) they are only useful in non competitive shows and those for youth mounts

At high level shows (those with serious entry fees) that cost thousands of dollars the only reason to bring a gelding is for a youth mount (or a mare)

When it comes to game play it is however competitive, it's about winning and making progress not about gender per say. But I don't feel a gelding should get more perks than a mare or stallion, they don't fit on the same page. They shouldn't be hindered, they don't deserve a bonus either.

All this bullarky about "geldings being better mannered than stallions or mares" is just that, bullarky. How many people have actually had the chance to handle properly trained stallions? I doubt many.. Any of the ones I've handled in all honesty people asked after a stallions class if they were in fact stallions because they weren't allowed to run around like hormone driven monsters.

It's all about handling, it has nothing to do with anything else, if you lock a stallion in a stall do you get a hormone driven monster? Yes because that horse never learned proper ground manners other than being worked in the breeding area, in harness or under saddle. A friends stallion currently is a great horse to take on trail rides with mares, I know others you can do the same with.

How many mares I've been around that I've never noticed if they were mares (or in heat) because simply they just knew better they weren't babied, weren't treated like they can get away with it. My mare now, ride her in heat or any time and you never know, people have always confused her for a gelding. Because I've never let her get away with it.

So all this blaming mares and stallions for having bad attitudes due to hormones is just nonsense to me. Especially seeing the opposite first hand.

People can play the game how they want. If they want to show geldings for the heck of it, whatever. I really have no opinion on whether geldings should have perks or not. IRL, each horse is an individual and too many variables go into whether or not any single horse has an advantage or disadvantage over others. I honestly think the system is fine as it is.

@Rhine, I hate thinking of horses like tools... Yeah, winning pretty ribbons and prize money is a great bonus... but I'd hope most people would be in it just for the fun. So "usefulness" really just depends on the owner, rider, and horse. If I had the money and made it up there with my gelding, you can bet I would pay those insane entry fees and compete with him. I don't care about breeding. I personally care about the fun and the satisfaction of reaching or even surpassing goals. I just want to see how far I can get with my boy. IMPO, that's better than just using a horse for prize money and not caring about the animal (attended a low-level dressage show with one of the stallions I cared for; saw someone showing a big WB gelding who was limping very BADLY... head tossing, the whole shebang... and she didn't even care, finished the routine, got off the horse, whacked it for being "stupid", and stomped off to the trailer... some people).

People have different experiences with horses. Most mares I've known are the stereotypical snarky witches who shove their butt in any gelding's face whenever they're in heat (actually pretty funny to see my boy all like "I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS THIS?!"). I used to work on an Andalusian breeding farm with five stallions, 2 of which are Level 4 at present and one is potential GP material. It wasn't easy, but they were well-mannered. Yes, it's all in handling. Their owner and I didn't let them get away with jack (and that's important when you're a wispy little 100lb twig walking these 1000#+ piles of muscle to/from their pastures/stalls, tacking them up, riding them, etc. XD).

That rider should have been penalized but got away with some serious rule breaking :(

I come from Morgan background - where it's all about (to the owners and trainers) the ribbons the money and the titles. Which they wouldn't spend time doing with a gelding, there was no return for them. Those that did not seem to be stallion prospects were gelded and trained for the youth/under 18 mounts.

Myself because I am broke would not waste all that money on a gelding bringing it to world shows, there's no return in it. Mares can give you something in return, as can stallions. Geldings cannot

That's all I'm trying to say, they aren't tools, but from a financial stand point sometimes it has to seem that way. They deserve humane treatment yes 110% but if I was putting out thousands I expect there to be a potential return when I bred pennies to make those thousands.

I agree with you rhine, I have a gelding pony IRL, and sure. I can enter him in shows and things for just fun. But when in a game, such as this. Geldings are not something everyone strives for as they can't really give you anything. And no one wants them to take the winnings from your mares or stallions or really waste too much time into them to get nothing in return.

And even though you add "Perks" to them, that would make it even worse as then your stallions and mares will struggle to get high as your geldings would always do better. And yes, I have heard "But they are only little higher chance, and won't change much." statements. And if that's what they say, why change it at all? Just a question to get through. XD

I doubt I'll add perks to Geldings to be honest guys, even though it's got a fair amount of support.

Gelding in Equiverse has only ever supposed to stop stallions from producing more foals, as a decision of the owner to stop breeding them. If I were to implement horse personalities down the line, then I would probably give Geldings more temperate personalities but that would be about it.

Sorry!