Un-geld if accidental

I was thinking about it, and maybe we should be able to un-geld a horse since we have Loki's Dagger. If it does become a thing, hear me out. On another Sim, somebody accidentally gelded their 1 of 1 color rarity Apicot Brindle boy(he had a ton of different white markings, I don't remember them though) and they were rather distraught. As there's no way to reverse it, if you accidentally geld the wrong horse , there's no going back. If we geld a horse, we have maybe like 3 hours to undo it and only if we were the ones to geld them. That way, gelding and selling horses still works if you didn't want to kill the horse, but you don't want it to be bred either. 

TL;DR~ Un-geld a horse only if you were to one to do it and you have a time limit to un-do it.

The only thing that concerns me is someone will try to exploit this if it was put into action. I'm a little torn.  🙃 

You can’t accidentally geld a horse… it has an “are you sure?” pop up. If you’ve blocked pop ups then the action won’t complete. 

No support. If this is an issue on another sim, which shouldn’t be discussed in the first place, then please make your suggestions there. 

No support. This is unrealistic, and like Maple said you can't accidentally geld a horse. 

Well, I don't play that one anymore, and I used it as an example :P And also I've seen many horses with the same name, often just New Foal, so it could be easy to pick to wrong one and them oopsie you just gelded one of your better horses.

@Feather: Could you explain how it could be exploited? I probably didn't think about it, but that's why there'd be a time limit.

If a horse doesn't have a proper name to where you don't know who you are gelding, then the horse should be given a unique name before gelding him. Accidentally gelding a horse named New Foal when several of your horses are named that is entirely the player's fault. Each horse should have their own name or symbol that means broodmare/stud/gelding/sale/etc to ensure that you don't accidentally geld a stallion.

Support. I don't see how it can be exploited with a time limit, tbh. If the owner can reverse their mistake within the time frame, I think it's reasonable. If the owner decided to sell/transfer the horse, they will get a warning that if a horse gets sold, transferred, etc, then the countdown will be automatically removed since only the original player who gelds them can reverse the mistake. They can decide if they want to go ahead and remove the countdown and sell/transfer or undo their mistake and sell/transfer.

Even with the "Are you sure?" feature, mistakes still can happen. Glitches due to pages being not loaded properly happened all the time with me. There are multiple times when I thought the pages are loaded fully since everything appeared to be loaded properly and I was able to do my tasks. I would start doing my tasks only to have the page suddenly finish loading and reset everything in the middle of my action. For example, suppose I selected a horse in a droplist in the middle of the page loading, and then the page suddenly finishes loading, and the horse in the droplist will suddenly be replaced with the first name in the droplist. I often accidentally schooled the wrong horses because of that. Luckily, I rarely do tasks that can cause permanent damage such as gelding a horse. I've fed the wrong treats to horses with the wrong discipline in the past when I used to have multiple disciplines which harm their NSS, tho. It's one of the main reasons why I decided to have one discipline herd only. 

Even with the "Are you sure?" pop-up, I have no idea which horse they are talking about. I will assume they are talking about the horse I selected but they may be talking about the first horse on the list due to the page suddenly finishing loading. So yes, mistakes still can happen. We all also have brain fart moments as well. We might swear that this specific stallion we want geld is called Mister Charles, not Mister Chuck, despite the fact that we literally just left Mister Chuck's page. We all are humans and it's natural that we make mistakes.

Last edited on 2022-12-20 at 15:27:14 by 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆

I don't support because like others have said, it has a pop up to make sure that you want to geld and it wouldn't be realistic. It's not like you can reattach the body parts to a real life stud if you remove them. I could be wrong, but EV prides itself on being a realistic horse sim game. Sure there's items to change the gender of a horse, but I just see no reason to reverse gelding. I didn't think many people gelded on here anyways, because it's simple to just not have them for stud.

"EV prides itself on being a realistic horse sim game"
I have to disagree... this is one of the most unrealistic games I've been to. That's fine as long as everyone is enjoying the game. However, we shouldn't be advertising that EV is a realistic game when it's not.

- Loki's Daggers
- Applicators, Randomizers, and Tweaks
- Spectral Draught
- BreedAgain Solution, Love Potion
- Time Twister
- Freeze Gray
- Gestation Rush
- Valentine's Rose
- Valentine's Thorn
- Witch's Brew

- The whole concept of NSS is quite unrealistic as well. The fact that conformation had no impact on the showing is unrealistic as a lame horse cannot perform as well as a horse with good legs. Let's be realistic, a horse with no strength cannot jump multiple times while carrying a human as well as a horse with good strength in real life. Strength is an NSS for Show Jumping. Jumpers also need good endurance as well, which is also their NSS. To breed for horses with the lowest strength and endurance (and any other NSS)... that's simply just unrealistic and unethical in real life. 

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This suggestion is not about what's realistic or not. It's clear that realistic vs unrealistic does not matter here so we should not bring it up as an excuse to veto a suggestion.

It's a suggestion about allowing players a chance to correct their mistakes at a specific time frame not reversing the geld at any time.

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Again, we need to remember that we are humans that are bound to make mistakes even with pop-ups. It happens and there's nothing wrong with giving them a window of chance at correcting their mistakes. Honestly, as a neurodivergent person, I find EV to be restrictive sometimes. This suggestion is harmless and will not impact anyone except for the person who makes the mistake. It is not an exploitable suggestion as there's a time limit and only the person who performed the gelding can reverse it. You will never know if someone messed up. I can accidentally geld a horse because my browser decided to act up and un-geld it today and nobody will know it. It legit has no effect on the outsiders. You don't have to use it. It's an option for those who needed it.

I just find it so weird that EV is so against allowing people to fix their mistakes and take simple measurements to prevent more mistakes. It's just the same with the dyeing the tacks suggestion. It's a minor suggestion that was made to help reduce any more mistakes. Yet, it has a 45% support rate.

Last edited on 2022-12-20 at 19:00:21 by 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆

@Lucia - Hardly any players even bother with gelding their stallions. It's easier to just not put them for stud then spending money on gelding them. Just as simple as that. Gelding them only costs money, and it doesn't really change anything. If players gelded their stallions a lot more then they do then I would support, but I don't. There's no point in adding this if a select few players actually use this feature.

Also can we not always bring up the negative side of things? EV isn't a bad game. Each game has their ups and downs. No game is perfect. 

@ Lucia~ My browser(Microsoft Edge) is freaking slow and randomly just decides to take a dump on me and spend 2 minutes loading a page that's usually instant.

@Horsegirl~ Like Lucia said, the argument of 'not being realistic' is so full of holes, so if we can't un-geld a horse, why can we make change the sex, huh? That argument is completely thrown out the window when you think of every other oddball thing. Why can I change my stallion into a mare or the other way 'round? Also, I happen to have bought 3 geldings, one of which came from my own broodmare, Dori. Also, if nobody gelds horses, how do you explain these horses? Or do you just ignore those guys... looks like a heck of a lot of geldings, and if my math is correct(it is) then that easily 6560 geldings... so yeah, it's not just a couple hundred...

@ Horsegirl,

There are players who geld their horses. Before I became a private breeder, I bought plenty of geldings from other players so they clearly do exist. We still do offer the option to geld our horses as well. Stud is not the only reason for the gelding. Of course, we know that we can easily just not put them up for stud if we don't want to. There are many reasons for gelding our horses.

Ironically, you are bringing up negativeness too. You only focused on negative things about geldings. Not once you had consider the possible benefits for players to choose to geld their horses. I never once said that EV being unrealistic is a negative thing. "That's fine as long as everyone is enjoying the game." I do enjoy EV because it's unrealistic since I do enjoy the benefits of special items. I just simply pointed out the hypocrisy of how players vetoed suggestions because EV is "realistic" when it's not. You turned this into a negative by saying it's negative. Please do not make this negative, thank you.

Personally, I am planning to geld my 2nd gen stallions that I don't plan to breed but intend to keep. If spaying mares are ever introduced, I am planning to spay my girls that I don't breed as well. Why? It is to help reduce the number of breedable horses in the droplist as the droplist can get quite long sometimes. Personally, I do not cull my additional foals. I plan to keep them alive and show them until they retire. Gelding them helps reduce the chances of me accidentally breeding a mare to the wrong stallion due to glitches or brain-fart moments due to similar names. If I ever decided to go public, I can sell my horses without worrying about someone overbreeding my lines as well. When I first joined, I really appreciated geldings because they are good starter horses for me. They are unbreedable so they prevented me from making some dumb decisions early on such as breeding rashly and ended up with 100+ foals that I don't need. You may view the geldings as pointless but I think they are extremely useful to have and intend to take advantage of that feature.

Just because you choose to not geld your horses does not mean you have to force it on everyone. There are players who want to geld their horses and they have the rights to choose to do so. Everyone has a different playing style and everyone need to accept it and stop trying to force everyone to play the same way. 
Wait, I checked and you don't even own horses. I am not even sure why you're trying to drag the geldings through the mud when you don't even play the game.

Last edited on 2022-12-20 at 21:20:19 by 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆

I don’t see a need for it, if you don’t know the name of the horse you’re going to geld it’s nothing more than your own fault. I have gelded horses before and have never accidentally gelded the wrong horse due to site loading times or errors. 

@ Wey, it's not necessarily our own fault. There are many reasons why people can make mistakes. Being neurodivergent is one of them. It's not easy to keep track of everything when our brain is not neurotypical. Personally, I have a good system set up to help me to keep track of things. However, when I am younger, I was a hot mess. It took me a long time to figure out a system that works. If a younger version of me is playing here right now, she most likely will make that mistake unintentionally on her bad days despite trying her best to not make that mistake. Telling people who are already struggling that it's their own fault only makes things harder for them. 

Honestly, all I want is help to make the game more inclusive and accessible for everyone. Clearly, the others don't have the same thoughts.

Last edited on 2022-12-20 at 21:13:46 by 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆

mhm, again, great points, Lucia. I already knew Horseigrl had no horses, so why would being able to un-geld a horse within a small timeframe affect her? And Wey, I know my browser stinks, and some players' browsers are worse than mine. AND if they are having internet issues at the moment, it's more than likely for accidents to happen. Plus, I have two Teke boys, Pan's Mysterious Path and Pan's Theoretical Path. Theory is the sire, but the names are so similar if I decide to geld one of them, it'd be quite the nightmare if I accidentally gelded the wrong one.