ISO Moreno QH

Does color Moreno still exist in the quarter horses? I never see the color around anymore. If so, ive been looking for a QH in that color to breed either my mare or stallion with. If you have one, i dont have much but I can pay a breeding fee. My 2 are closely related so I can not breed them together. 

Last edited on 2019-07-31 at 11:42:10 by Undeadunicorn2000

I have this baby she is a Silver Moreno and she has never been bred, clean lines, Dressage specialty, low NSS, Na 1 stats, good show history and 65.36 conformation. 

Night Sparkle

Edit, mine can definitely pass on both its silver and moreno aspects! 

Last edited on 2019-07-31 at 12:07:07 by BonnieLover

What mare/stallion are you looking to breed with?  Your horse's genes will determine if you can get a Moreno foal, or at least close to a moreno foal

Most ive gotten from my mare is palomino, or some other light color. Im not that great with the whole genetics part of it. The only foal ive gotten from her that was moreno was from a moreno stud. Ive got my two in a separate division "Moreno Project".  Both set in Western

Last edited on 2019-07-31 at 12:41:49 by Undeadunicorn2000

So are you interested in breeding with my mare? Her details are above!

Ive sent you a message Bonnie

So for a moreno, you need at least 1 brown gene dominant.  So Ata (one brown gene dominant), or AtAt (two brown genes dominant).  You also need it to be on an EE or Ee horse, as ee (chestnut/palomino) won't show brown.  But you also need a double cream gene (CrCr).  A horse with Crcr (palomino/buckskin) won't give you moreno if it winds up with a brown gene.  It gives a seal brown cream horse, or palomino carrying brown.

In short, you want a horse with genetics like E_ (E or e) At_ (At or a) CrCr in order to get a moreno as the final coloring.  The way to do this (and have the foal be moreno every time) would be to pair two EE AtAt CrCr horses together every time.  The issue is that AtAt is relatively rare, you'll more than likely come across Ata or AAt horses more often, so you'll almost always be taking a genetics gamble.

For your stallion, all you have to do is breed him with at least a horse with EE and CrCr (double cream) to get a moreno.  That's it.  He'll always pass along one of his AtAt genes to the foal.  There is a chance of getting an AAt foal, with the hidden brown, but if you breed to an Ata or aa horse, this won't happen.  So breed to morenos, perlinos, and even cremellos since he is EE.  You'll have more of a struggle in the next generation if you get an Ata foal, but at least the foals should come out cremello.

For your mare, you would prefer to breed her with a moreno stallion, as you'll have the best chance at a moreno foal.  But if that isn't possible, a horse with at least Ata/AAt and CrCr will give you the highest chance.  It's all about statistics and chance at that point.

For a bit of visual clarity, here's what some pairings would create. 

Your stallion - EE AtAt gg CrCr / My Cremello Mare - Ee AA gg CrCr = E_ AAt CrCr (cremello foal carrying brown)
Your stallion - EE AtAt gg CrCr / Double Cream Foal - ee aa gg CrCr = Ee Ata CrCr (moreno foal)

Your mare - Ee Ata gg CrCr / My Cremello stallion - ee aa gg CrCr:
The options would be
- Ee Ata CrCr (moreno)
- ee Ata CrCr 
- Ee aa CrCr
- ee aa CrCr
In this case, you would have a small chance at a moreno foal.  Because you would have to get lucky and get the 50% chance at getting the Ee passed, then the 50% chance at having the Ata passed.  

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I don't have any stallions that would help with you getting a moreno foal out of you mare (most of my browns are in my own mares) or at least not with any reliability.  But I know there are some out there.  It'll take a lot of careful breedings and picking and choosing of foals to reliably get moreno most of the time.  But it seems like a fun project!  I love brown in paints/qhs and that's what I'm breeding for as well.  Maybe in the future I'll have some that'll give you a better chance at getting the foal you want!

I have a moreno QH stallion i can offer, but his nss are a little high.

His name is Bad Karma
59.13 average conformation.
130 current non specialty stats and 108 base non specialty stats.
Western bred.
He is in my QH stallions division.

Thank you Nittrous! I will definitely have to keep all that in mind. I will message you Lagoon