Coat color ( Census )

( I don't know if this would belong here, as its not a game, and its more or less info gathering so idk move ware appropriate if this isn't it) 

So, there is no legit way of knowing if said coat color is actually rare, or if it its really the same across the board. 

Lets start sort of a Horse Census.  So let see which coat colors come up on top. were going to do this by Breed.

I want to know the color of your horse, IE your horses Genetics. 

I am looking for a sample of about 1,000 horses non of which can be created with credits. They have to be either the 1k foundies, or born that way. Per breed. XD

and by all means speculate or Hypothesis about what I might find in each horses Census pool.  Once 1000 horses are hit, I'll no longer take that info. 

Breeds that are exempt from the study are Frisians they come in two colors and we all know which one of them is rarer.

This will be updated as I calculate my own horses, as well as posts are made. 

( My hypothesis is that Bay normal Bay  and grey are going to be high in numbers, and that Sb is going to be a popular marking with mini's ) 
Let us begin.

( to clarify things, I want you to tell me of each of your breeds, how many Bays, grays, Torbinos, sabrinos, inc you have with in what ever breed you wish and how many horses that is from. Ex: 6 bays 1 black, 3 grey 4 roan  from 7 vanners. That you own right now.) ( sorry for spellings)

Findings so far: 

Last edited on 2018-08-22 at 16:52:38 by howl

I breed Trakes, GV, Paints and have a few Quarters. Would they be any use? 

^{You could use the horse search as a way of collecting sample sizes, i.e the occurrence of palominos every 100 horses in search rather than spending lots of money on creating new horses.} 

I have Dutch warmbloods, only a couple have been customized (to remove grey mostly) Bay and grey definitely seem more common and T is fairly common too

It seems bay is the most common among most breeds, especially clydesdales, black and chestnut being the hardest to breed, and Tobiano being a common gene among clydesdales.

@LoveToRP
Actually, white markings on Clydes are caused by Sabino, not Tobiano c:

@rising Sun Acers 
yes

Guys trying to collect data on your horses. That you own right now. ( provided they weren't customs or genetically altered via Credits)

XD

Yes all the breeds but Frisians are of use. 


So guys really trying to collect numerical data :p 

I breed Dutch Warmbloods and trakenhers currently, I also have Appaloosas (locked), quarter horses, and minis. I can’t confirm if my trakenher lines have had customs in the past (I.e, I don’t know if some of their parents or grandparents were customs because those weren’t from my own lines) but none of the horses I’ve bred have been modified at all. For my Dutch warmblood lines I specifically chose roan and tobiano foundations to start but they were like that when I got them from the RC. Same with the quarters, my minis are all foundations and the Appaloosas also have kind of random backgrounds.

I have paints, Trakehners, gypsy vanners, andalusians, akhal tekes, thoroughbreds, appaloosas, welsh ponies and arabians.

my Arabs are all from the store/RC

paints are a mixture as most are store/bought in ones

Trakehners I have foundations and ones I've bought in (other than Peperment if I still have her)

Appaloosas are all from rescue centre

GVs are store, RC, bought in and there are two customs - R and Barney (Barney made to look like my RL horse) and some of the foundies with Irish names or Russian names have had genes added, my main ones haven't been customised bar Barney and R

Andalusians are all bought in but none are customs that I know of

Akhal Tekes are store and bought in, none are customs that I know of

welsh ponies are all from the store 

Thoroughbreds are all bought in or from the store, none have had markings added or genes changed 

 Arabians: 10 Total
Base coat: 5 Bays, 5 Blacks
Modifier: 2 Grey
Body Markings: 1 Rabicano

Lippizaner: 8 Total
Base coat: 2 Black, 6 Bay
Modifier: 7 Grey
Body markings: n/a

Andalusian: 4 Total
Base coat: 3 Bays, 1 Black
Modifier: 1 Buckskin, 3 Grey
Body markings: n/a

Gypsy Vanner: I have a lot, so they'll take some time to figure out.
Base coat: 
Modifier: 
Body markings: 

Last edited on 2018-08-22 at 18:43:22 by Dixie Warden

Ok Here are my horses I will mail you their specific gene if you want them. (I am not including the horses in my sales division)

GV - 10
 
Buckskin Sabino Roan (with grey) 
Mealy Dunalino Sabino Roan 
Buckskin Sabino 
Mealy Buckskin Splash Sabino (with grey/also Ff gene)
Cremello Tobiano Sabino 
Mealy Cremello Tovero 
Silver Buckskin Splash 
Palomino Tovero 
Buckskin Rabicano Sabino 
Cremello Roan 

Paints - 19

Bay Rabicano Sabino (with ff gene)
Cremello Tobiano Splash 
Buckskin Tobiano (with Ff gene)
Dunskin Splash Roan (with Ff gene)
Classic Dun Frame Sabino 
Classic Dun Roan 
Chestnut Tobiano 
Palomino Splash Sabino 
Grullo Frame Overo 
Amber Champagne Dun Roan 
Bay Splash Rabicano Roan Sabino (with Ff gene)
Flaxen Dunalino (ff)
Red Dun Tovero Roan 
Dunalino 
Cremello Roan 
Perlino Tobiano 
Bay Tobiano 
Smoky Creme Tobiano Splash 
Black Tobiano 

Quarters - 4 

Silver Smoky Black 
Silver Smoky Creme (Ff gene)
Silver Perlino 
Silver Palomino 

Trakehners - 23

Buckskin Tobiano 
Bay Tobiano 
Smoky Black 
Smoky Black 
Chestnut (with grey)
Chestnut (with grey)
Bay 
Chestnut 
Bay 
Black Tobiano 
Buckskin 
Palomino (with grey)
Black 
Bay 
Bay 
Bay Tobiano 
Black (with possible grey but haven't gene tested him yet)
Bay (with possible grey but haven't gene tested him yet)
Buckskin 
Chestnut
Palomino Tobiano 
Black 
Perlino 

I think thats all of them xD

Doing statistic basing on players' herds isn't really reliable thing - people are culling foundations right after they're created.
It's because of conformation, stats in "wrong" discipline but also because of color.

Rare patterns/collors/dillutions are highly desirable and those horses are usually being kept by owners while "standard" bays, chestnuts, blacks are culled, dumped in RC and then dissapear. From undesirable dillutions and patterns - white and gray are pretty common among many breeds - gray on Lippis, Andies happens really often, also, I recently created 44 Welshies and around 15-20 of them were gray. White on Chincoteagues is pretty common but you'll find those horses usually in RC or have randomizers/tweaks used on them because little people like white.

The only proper way to do it is to create a big herd of horses, don't cull any of them during it, DNA test all and then collect data. Or collect data from players who will do it for you this way (or just will collect all data before culling horse from herd).

And then you'll have reliable data - from XXX horses created at once XX were chestnuts, XX bay, XX black based, XX had gray on them, XX had patterns, XX were solid and so on.

But I like the idea overall, I'll definitely spend some extra money on DNA testing and time with another foundation herd c:

@royal storm

Actually honestly I am just wanting the data for current and kept horses, as if all the blacks, bays, greys blah blah. Are put out to pasture. so to speak. 

Another words I am actually curious to see out of 1000 horses how many of this color or that marking, were Kept, this gives me a general idea, of how rare that coat color, is for that breed, on game. 

For instance. All the most commons are going to end up in the " rescue"  this makes it easy. I just go to the resque once or twice, see which colors are put in there the most.

I bred lips, and let me tell you, Gray is thee most comon color with about I am confident in saying... 

Grey with bay base 50 %
Grey with black base 20%
Black 20%
Bay5%
Gray with chestnut bace 2.5%
chestnut. 2.5%

( who can blame them about the white, it and grey are hard to breed away ) 

I'm slowly getting to a point ware I can start collecting good data. 

The main reason is 1 I am bored, and 2... Black and bay are just going to be flat out the most common period of just about any horse, unless were talking lips then its grey lots and lots of endless grey... ( I'm going to start beeding non grey lines.) 

But if I were to do this the less fun way and wanted to collect numbers via site data...

Then for each breed, a sample size of about 1000, would cost 2mil  so you'd have to say do something less evil... do a sample of say 200 and even then each horse breed will cost 400,000 due to gene testing.... So really its an expense that isn't honestly worth it XD

Unless you got some decent breeding stalk out of it.

Here are mine:

Gypsy Vanners:
Buckskin Sabino
Black Frame Splash Roan (carries Ff)
Greying Palomino Frame Roan Sabino
Chestnut Roan Sabino
Bay Roan

Appaloosa:
Smokey Cream Tobiano Blanket

Andalusian:
Silver Smoky Black Dun Rabicano

Clydesdale:
Solid Black

Dutch Warmblood:
Bay Tobiano

Arabian:
Chestnut Sabino

My unedited foundies:
-Quarter Horses: Chestnut Tovero, Seal Brown Tobiano,
-Trakhener: Chestnut,
-Morgans: Chestnut, Chestnut, Red Dun, Buckskin ||increased chance of rare colours update|| Grey (Black base)- Rescue, Bay- Rescue, Bay- Rescue, Grullo-  Rescue, Smoky Black, Black, 

Tweaked foundies: Grey (Bay base)- silver tweaked Rescue, Chestnut- flaxen tweaked,

Randomised horses: Grullo, Palomino, Cremello,

I'm giving you randomised colours because they are like drawn again from EC. They were randomised after the update. After that update the amount of grey, bay and chestnut morgans from EC fell down. Now more often a single flaxen, dun or cream show up. Sometimes I meet single silvers, but only on chestnuts, double cream I got once before update (since update I have seen quite many from randomisers though), double duns have never been counted.
I don't know how the EC situation looks for QH and trakheners.