When Grullo is not Grullo...

As far as I can tell, EV's version of grullo, isn't grullo at all.
Wait, what?

EV's base color is good, but it lacks the key features of grullo. Mainly, a dorsal stripe. :)
It's clear that a ton of work went into all the new colors for the horses, so it just surprises me a bit that this seems to have been a bit over looked.

Grullo is (in essence) a black horse with a dun factor. In order for a horse to be identified as Grullo, it must have: a dorsal stripe, and dark points (legs, head, and ear tips).

http://www.grullablue.com/colors/dun_factor_markings.htm
http://www.duncity.net/horses/grullo.htm
http://www.shiningchorses.com/aboutgrullahorses.htm
http://www.grullablue.com/colors/grullocolor.htm


So yep, I'm not sure where I'm going with this...

I noticed that too - no dorsal stripe, no shoulder barring, no leg barring, no face masking. But, at the same time, these traits are not *always* prominent on real life horses, particularly the face masking. They also tend to range in shade from bluish to brownish to blackish and anything in-between.

This is also the only place I ever see it spelled "grullo". Most folks spell it "grulla". (well, okay, two of your links seem to have it as "grullo", ha)

All that said, I think it looks nice in-game. I certainly couldn't do any better, lol. And I like that it's in Andalusians now, looks pretty cool. :D

I do love the new breed art, it's certainly gorgeous, but in a few cases I am a bit disappointed at the inaccuracy of the colour or pattern. I can't help but feel a little more research could have gone into them to determine what is typical of that colour/pattern.

Same counts for pangare. It's definitely visible on bays in real. Also tovero is the same pattern as overo in game.

Apparently both grullo and grulla are correct. I've never really spoken to anyone about it in real life, so I don't really have a preference for either term. I chose grullo since it's what the color is called here. :)

You're right, not all grullos will have primitive markings, but (at least from my research) it seems that at least a dorsal stripe is necessary for a true grullo. I was a bit disappointed, since I wanted to make my custom GV grullo, since it's one of my favorite horsey colors...But I opted for smoky black dun (Whatever that is, does anyone have a ref. image?) because the "grullo" would bug me.

That being said, my breeding pair did produce a handsome "grullo", and I love the color, he just looks a bit nekid off. Maybe even if their faces were a bit darker...


Huh, pangare shows up on some bay horses, but not others. (It works on Chincoteague bays but not on Welsh or Shetlands)
Tovero and overo look different to me. Do you have an example of it looking the same?

Last edited on 2016-03-12 at 05:32:52 by Drenarrow

I guess I now found out something more hateful on pangare, it makes manes of bay horse white. In real it does not do that and is often confused for doing that, since it is most probably very close to flaxen on the genome.
I breed shetlands in game, and I can tell you it works on bays in real life since we are enriched with shetland ponies in this area.

http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/images/horsecolor/oddities/pangare_exmoors.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKkghCpwfJqD8RVR6EwDZrccVlZvpvn6RwgfLfw9yr_4u2DcvyOw

I also wish they would have different colours for pangare, my two pangare baby's:
http://i.imgur.com/PIDQXXS.jpg?1 The left foal expresses it extremely like in game, while the right horse does only have minimal expression of pangare. Both have flaxen manes though, because of the flaxen gene.

http://www.theequinest.com/images/mealy-cnut.jpg a chestnut pangare without the light manes, because it does not have flaxen, expresses the same way as my right horse.

Well, I mislooked the tovero/overo thing >.<

My grullo's do have striped legs, just no dorsal stripe, non of the in game dun's have that, while it's the main thing to look at deciding wether something is cream or dun.

Quarters do have the dorsal stripe if you look at the grullo colour, it just isn't very clear.

Last edited on 2016-03-12 at 07:21:26 by megansparrow

What has bugged me has been the roans. Roans shouldn't have that much roaning on their faces lol. But, this art is better then a lot of other games, so it's not that big of a deal I suppose.

There are a bunch that are off, but I think they look better than they did, so I really am just thankful.

As far as grullo/grulla, I always use the "o" version, but it's technically incorrect. Grulla is a spanish word for a particular type of crane, so it's a proper noun. You don't change the gender of proper nouns. Much like palomino doesn't become palomina on a female. Still, it's grullo in my head, so that's what I type/say.

Roanwatch - Actually some roans do have a lot of roaning in the face. I never knew that until my last mare who was a red roan. And had a good amount of roaning into her face xD

But yea, I feel like any dun based breed needs to have the darker face/legs and at least leg barring. When I do designs, I no longer do a dorsal stripe UNLESS the back is showing (like the QH art on here). In real life the dorsal stripe isnt going to show from the side of the horse.

Cinch - my mare does have roaning on her cheeks, but not so much on the bridge of her nose.