*Spaying Mares

I fully support simply because spaying a mare truly is no different than gelding a stallion. They make good money as just being school horses for extra income while also protecting the lines that others are working so hard on to keep valuable. If we want to talk about real life situations, mares don't have 25 foals before they die of old age, but its a thing on here. No one wants a line that has 25 terrible stated foals from one mare and each time one of those foals is created, it decreases the value of the line they come from. So I feel that implementing the option to spay mares would benefit and reduce the "unrealistic" amounts of foals that mares have in the game. The average amount of foals that a mare has irl is roughly five which is roughly how many most breeders in-game allow their horses anyway. Sure, overbreeding a mare is also a thing irl and there are horses that have up to 15 foals, but players aren't going to buy from the lines that have that many foals per mare. Those mares would essentially be useless and so would most of the foals because they would just waste away and never be sold.

I myself would still buy spayed mares as a means for extra income to support the creation of my own line, and they would be just as useful as any next best horse that is used for riding schools.

No support. The main reason mares are spayed IRL is because there is a disease on them, and it would harm them or the foal if the foal was born, so it's better just to spay them.
On here there are no illnesses, and so it's really just pointless to spay a mare. If you don't want the mare to breed, there's nothing telling you she has to breed or be spayed. You just don't breed her. If you don't want her to be bred and you sell her, well then. *shrugs* I guess you could make a secondary account for those horses!
Seriously though, there is nothing MAKING you buy those horses. You can send the person a PM saying "I would appreciate it if you stop breeding this horse. It is clearly overbred, and it's annoying to [most] everyone else to find that your horse in is about every other horse of that breed's pedigree. Thank you."
And you could write a note in the private notes if you sell one of these horses saying something like, "Please don't breed this horse any more! They are done, look at all their foals. You can ask to buy one of the foals if you want some more of her line, just please don't breed her!"

Last edited on 2017-12-22 at 18:02:42 by Hot Cocoa-nut the dog

As before, there is no argument against spaying mares that applies to a game that does not also apply to gelding stallions.


Last edited on 2017-12-22 at 19:37:43 by Almárë

@nut the dog,

Telling people how to play the game by privately messaging them is rude. Who are you to tell someone what they can and can't do with their horse? Even if you are the seller of the horse.

Spaying horses, just like gelding stallions, is an *essential* function to protecting people's lines and assisting with the overbreeding issue in this game. Keybword being game. This is a game, not real life. Almare summed it up perfectly!

I don't have a huge opinion on this one, however I think Hot Coco's point was that the game is going for realism, and realistically spaying mares is not commonplace in real life.

Realism? We can dye horses different colours, bring them back from the dead, change their sex, have automatic birthing, etc. Spaying mares is actually possible.

Gameplay > realism.

Yes because those are needed to help build an economy for the horse market on the game, why would spaying mares benefit the game when you can already geld stallions?

Because stallions are not the only horse gender that can be overbred.

*mic drop, walks away*

Last edited on 2017-12-23 at 07:44:49 by Nebula

@Evermore, that's not what I said at all. I did not say, You should message the person and say "Yeah don't breed this horse it was mine first so I can tell you what to do with it", and you make it sound like that's what I said. I said in reality: You can send the person a PM saying "I would appreciate it if you stop breeding this horse. It is clearly overbred, and it's annoying to [most] everyone else to find that your horse in is about every other horse of that breed's pedigree. Thank you."
It is perfectly polite, and not telling anyone what to do. If you say that, or something akin to that, you are nicely requesting something. The other person doesn't HAVE to do it. You are not making the other person do it.
@ξιίzα Ð, you're right. It is an added expense. But what I'm saying is, if you really care then you won't mind. It may be a bit of a hassle, but if you do actually want that horse to not be bred anymore then should you mind a couple extra expenses? And yeah, as I said above, people might not mind. That's that, then, and if they say "No, thanks, I think I'll keep breeding this horse" you have a couple alternatives like "I can't stop you, but please just 1 or 2 more times?"
Also you could just not breed the horse that much before you sell it, then you won't have that problem.
@Almare, you could look at it that way, yes. But you could look at it another way, because it's a sim game, so it's imitating real life, and spaying mares is not common IRL.
@Zest yeah, that's what I'm saying XP

If we want to go for realism, how about limiting the number of stallions in the game? The ratio of stallions:geldings is hugely unrealistic (as are the number of horses per person in general). No stallions in riding schools would be a good start, after all it's unrealistic to have children riding breeding stallions.

The game is not realistic in many, many ways and picking on this one thing and saying no because it's unrealistic is absurd.

I was against this but recent events have changed my mind. If people start taking out mares from the breeding market maybe it will help the horse market prices.

@Evermore I am going to have to disagree with your opinion on spaying mares being "essential". If you want to protect your lines, kill the mares you do not want. It is honestly that simple. And over-breeding is not something I would consider a real problem in the game. Its just a bunch of users thinking of it as a problem, its basically subjective. A lot of players think breeding over 3 is over-breeding, some over 5, some over 10. Its all based off of your own opinions. Over-breeding does not really affect your gameplay unless you are directly inbreeding, its those who choose to believe that its devaluing a horse. To me, it just seems like players want to tell others how to play.

A note:
Previously, I did not like the thought of spaying mares, but currently I do not care whether or not it is implemented. I will not be using the feature myself and I don't really buy horses from other players. I am just looking at both sides and putting in my two cents.

@nut the dog
As someone who has put literally millions of EVD into expanding available horse space, I do indeed mind having to do so in order to hold onto horses I don't need. This is one of the many reasons why I support this idea. 
You and some other players have brought up some good points as to get around it, which are currently being used now. It's just my opinion that adding the option to spay mares would enhance the gameplay in a quality of life kind of way instead of constantly having to enact a workaround to bypass a nuisance. From what I see, there are more pros than cons to this suggestion :)

@ξιίzα Ð, Yes. I do get that some people (myself included XD) have spent too much money on expanding horse space, to a point where it's no small matter to expand your limit further. But, I'm not going to expand anymore ≠ Spaying mares. This game is a sim breeding/taking care of horses game. One of the main points is to breed! I don't have any problem with some people spaying the occasional mare, but there are other people who would abuse the feature and spay all their mares. This is a big reason why I don't want this in the game, because there are those people who would spay valuable mares for really no reason! I think that it would be fine if you could only spay a mare who's been bred, say, 10 times. Not new foals or anything, just mares who have been bred (insert number) times.