Anyone else really not liking the NSS system?

You should not have to hold yourself to what anyone else does, even your breeding partners. I'm working with someone who doesn't feed their horses haycubes for example, but they don't mind the fact that I do, because I remember to use the Training Center to convert them once they reach 3 as is always my way. 

Yes some people have caps on how many foals their lines will have per foal, but that I believe is mainly due to the inbreeding checker so that this is less likely to occur. I know its done in real life with no real detriments, but here it is something quite frowned upon. Don't ask me why please, as I do not remember. 

If their locked they wouldn't cost you money daily, unless that's due to how few you actually have unlocked. Maybe if the EC is being so stingy, you could branch out into other discplines using the horses it gives you, so that you can earn more, and have something else to work on while you're waiting for that next perfect Dressage Clydesdale?

I am trying to help here by giving you some options. 

Last edited on 2022-05-07 at 10:52:08 by нєямєѕ ѕтυ∂

Olivia, "To lower NSS you need some strategy (as we managed out the math for this, you can ask almost every older player to help) but it's not neuroscience." -- As I understand, you have to pair same-discipline horses whose birth NSS and current NSS are low, correct? And there's always that handy foal stat calculator. True, it's not neuroscience, but my issue is not with the difficulty of this mechanic. It's with a whole concept, or to be more specific -- with how it's your only option if you'd like to show your horses. Again, not advocating for removing this mechanic and wasting people's work, just for some alternatives being there:)

нєямєѕ ѕтυ∂, thanks for offering help! Indeed I might ask around when the time comes. Been struggling with my Endurance Teke since the absolute majority of them turned out to be in Racing. 

⍱ Lazy A Stud Farm ⍱, "I have found that there is more than NSS that makes a successful show horse though. Training level and being closer to the grade cut-off makes a huge impact. I've had 100+ NSS horses that brought in some big bucks when shown at the right time." -- I had almost exactly the same experience as Lucia in that regard. My horse was 3-2 stats away from the next grade, had maxed out tack, still lost in all the shows. And he wasn't even 100+ NSS, like around 80. 80 NSS and you already get an un-showable horse. People've been saying that here we have options, but I honestly can't view the current EV showing system as anything but the opposite. 
Training levels having an impact is indeed a tiny relief, but I'm not aware of the details. Could you please specify at what numbers it starts to make a difference, and how much of it?

 In my case, level 1 & 2 I show within 15-100 points of the cutoff depending on the grade. I'll bump it out another 10-50 or so points for each level up. But 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖆 pointed out that there are showing differences between different disciplines and the lower grades vs the higher grades. I hadn't considered this since the vast majority of my horses showing right now are international level and I exclusively show dressage and western. And now that I'm thinking about it a little harder, low NSS horses are next to nonexistent in these shows and it becomes more of an overall stats game. Sorry if that's no help :( 

One final thing I will add in here.

Horses that reach training Level 5 are going to succeed more often than anything under that bar. This is why I riding school until they’re 10, as it takes roughly that long to get there. 

To be honest, the whole game isn't going to be changed just because a few players want the showing and stat system recoded, however, I believe putting a suggestion in the forum may help. All I can say is that the majority of players believe NSS is fine and works well, (I don't think it should be changed, but that's just me personally). As far as I can tell all the older players the ones that have been playing for several years, love the NSS system, but understand that people may want it changed and that is okay. If you do not agree with something please put a suggestion in the forum. 
(note have edited further...again I am sorry for being rude)
 
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I understand that I was a little blunt, sorry. If there needs to be tweaks to the system, I only advise that they put a suggestion in the forum. I understand that there has been a lack of players and other issues impacting the game however I believe that NSS is not a problem, as the majority of players seem to enjoy and love the NSS system, as it is different from the other animal/horse sims that are around.
The way I see is NSS, is that horses in real life are usually bred for one sport whether it is racing, show jumping, eventing, or western. Therefore NSS reflects the way that real horses usually are better at one discipline and not another, racing is kinda different as most racehorses can be retrained in another discipline (something which I have done in real life, but it is hard work). But for most horses, are usually bred and trained in one discipline. Take western for example, the horse's history ie, bloodlines and pedigree would be bred to the best western horses to engineer a horse to be a western horse in terms of cow sense, gait, and the ability to turn tight circles and sliding stops and therefore would struggle in another discipline such as jumping or dressage. 
This is why I have racing shetlands, I know in real life you would never come across racing shetlands but the idea is kinda fun and would be funny to watch. I match the best horses to create foals that would succeed in racing and carefully match bloodlines and horses, much like you would do in real life. 

Last edited on 2022-05-07 at 16:20:02 by Laureal

@Laureal: i don't feel like it's fair to say it's just entitled new people who have an issue, you do have to account for how over the years many people have joined and left quickly after getting frustrated, to the point that if i remember correctly people have talked about noticing users abandoning their accounts a lot (i can't quite remember the threads but i do remember seeing a few discussions about it, take my memory with a grain of salt though :p). i feel it's more fair to say people have been way more vocal about what they dislike lately instead of just leaving without saying a word.
as someone who tends to just be happy with what i have lol it's been a bit strange to see all the discussion lately, but i'm sure most people are just trying to express their opinions and don't mean to come across as pushy. both old and new players should feel welcome, but neither group should try to push away the other. a major nss change would alienate a lot of old players but i really don't think the newbies who are saying all this are meaning to kick us out xD

нєямєѕ ѕтυ∂, that's actually a pretty helpful and straightforward rule of the thumb, thanks.

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Last edited on 2022-05-07 at 16:07:39 by Ria Sinclair

I understand I was a little out of line, and I apologize and have edited my post. All I can say is put a suggestion in the forum and see if other players agree. I understand there are a few issues with the game (no game is perfect) but I believe NSS is something that gives EV its charm. 

It's cool. The thing is, I think this topic has already proven that we're in the minority, so there's not much point in coming to the suggestions. Might try that after compiling all the alternative ideas at some point though. 

If you give an alternative that is easy to explain and is able to challenge the NSS system that is already in use, as well as argue your point well you may be able to change a few players' opinions. I just love the NSS system as it is simple to understand and is different from other games but I may change depending on if there is an easy-to-understand alternative and is different from what other games already have in place. It never hurts to put in a suggestion, just to see what other people think. Sorry, that is the only advice I can give. Best of luck :) 

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