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Multistat Treats? Good or Bad? Discussion.

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Multistat Treats? Good or Bad? Discussion.

#104702 Posted on 2017-05-14 00:59:45

So treats that give random stats in multiple different areas I believe are bad. So why do I see people buying them and using them on their horse? Am I missing something? Would you not rather have a little less stats but in the category of your discipline? Maybe I am missing an entire game mechanic which would totally make more sense but yeah I thought I would bring it up for discussion. If you do use sugar cubes or any other treat to increase all stats... Why? If you don't use these please also post your reasons why as well I just want to know everyone's thoughts! Thank you everyone for your time! :)


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#104710 Posted on 2017-05-14 04:40:18

My understanding is that the multi-stat treats tend to give more stats than the basic treats, so the contribution to the total stats would be higher, however a lot of those stats are in the wrong areas since they're random, so their show performance would be lower. I'd expect this would mean there'd be a trade off, as they'd win shows less, and therefore get less stats from showing. I haven't run the numbers, but I'd expect the net effect would be that you'd get less stats on a horse fed multi-stat treats than one fed basic treats

However, retraining a horse can move all the extra stats into the discipline-specific stats, so if the horse wasn't showing, e.g. foals, perhaps it would be more worthwhile to feed multi-stat treats then? A bit expensive though, since the retraining fee is $10,000.

Personally I stick to basic treats for the horse's whole life.


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#104714 Posted on 2017-05-14 05:55:20

I will use multi stat treats at times, mainly peppermints...but only on foals, until they're ready to start showing and training....then I convert their discipline so the stat boost from the peppermints is distributed appropriately

However..I will NOT use multi stat treats on horses once they're of showing age and their discipline has been set..It just makes a mess of their stat spread and breeding potential.. I also will not buy a horse that has been fed multi stat treats beyond the age of 3, that is showing...( unless the horse's base stats are suitable to having the horse's discipline converted)... otherwise, those horses are of no use to me. I want the lowest stats in the undesirable areas...but thats just my opinion and how I prefer to play the game..To each their own , I always say :)


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#104716 Posted on 2017-05-14 06:27:31

I feed them to my foals before the age of three and then convert as well...


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#104721 Posted on 2017-05-14 06:47:48

I do the same as Notori. Peppermints and hay cubes from ages 0-3, choose a discipline, then convert so all of those stats go into the chosen discipline.


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#104738 Posted on 2017-05-14 07:24:23

i never feed sugar cubes, but i feed haycubes to most of my horses and peppermints to my favorites/those that are lagging behind in stat gain. I stop feeding non-spec treats right before I breed them, so sometimes I've had 20 year old horses that only ever eat peppermints. I convert their training, breed them, and start feeding discipline specific treats. It's expensive and using riding schools (which i have to use due to treats making them non-competitive in shows) is less profitable than showing, but I feel it provides more lifetime stat gains so it's worth the cost. 

That said, that's my method for foundies and lines where stats are secondary to confo/color. 
I might switch up my method when I get to the second or third generation and my horses have lower base non-spec stats and therefore are more competitive in shows from the get-go.


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#104750 Posted on 2017-05-14 09:12:49

I use the same method as Kahzie for all of my foundations. Hay cubes until breeding age and then converted.

It's cost effective to me because I have 3 lines of lippizaners and they would all be competing against each other in dressage if not in riding schools(Not to mention there isn't enough shows for them as it is). What I am not spending in shows i will spend in converting them but I'm alright with that. BUT if I happen upon a foundation already in its correct specialty I feed them their correct treats.


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#104781 Posted on 2017-05-14 12:13:39

I never use multi-stat treats under any circumstance. My breeding program revolves around horses that have the all around factor, and a big part of that is being a show winner and money earner, and to be a successful show horse, it has to have low non-specialty stats. 

I won't breed to or buy a horse that has 25 or higher non-specialty stats. That's just personal preference, and it goes against my personal goals here on EV. A horse that has low-specialty stats, high wins, and high earnings is perfect to me!


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#104800 Posted on 2017-05-14 14:01:15

I generally feed my babies Haycubes until they're 3 years old, then convert them to their actual discipline, and then they're locked away until I have time to work with them (namely, when all my current horses 4 years and up are gone). 

Thought lately, as I'm slightly low on money, I've left my newly turned 3 year old's, and any horses I've bought that aren't in the disciplines I work with for that breed on Haycubes until I have enough to convert them. I also need enough credits as some need 2 credits to convert. 

Any horses that are to be shown, have to have 59 or less non-specialty stats in order to have a chance of showing I've noticed, and about 1/3 of my herd is like that, while the others are either have 60+ non-specialty stats, or are on my Haycube method until I have the money/credits to convert them to the correct discipline. 

Most of my youngsters have 50 or less non-specialty stats and my goal is to have a herd of awesome showing stock that has 0 non-specialty stats, super high stats, of rare colors, and 95+ conformation. :) 


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#104809 Posted on 2017-05-14 15:00:03

I use them on horses that will have their training converted before breeding (for now it would be about 3/4 of my entire herd).

By that I mean my first EC horses I messed up giving treats (some of them were treated sugar and haycubes, some red apples for racing/dressage so yeah, I boosted their non-speciality stats accidentally), horses I need to convert into another discipline (horses taken from RC with their discipline already set/my Tekes trained in western and show jumping...still don't know why I set them in those, but nevermind).
I don't show my horses (except one or two of them) because I don't have enough free time to "haunt" on shows that have enough entries so my horses could gain stats.

By the way, comparing theese horses - Horse #1 (Base stats: 195); Horse #2 (Base stats: 194) || Horse #1; Horse #2 (both taken from RC at age of 3 with 100 stats)  - I can say that it was more rewarding to treat horse with peppermints (I haven't buy any, just gave ones I found in fountain/junk yard) and send into riding school than treat with turnips and showing when it comes to stats.

In my opinion, treating multistat treats is more expensive, eliminates horse from winning shows, but gives more stats.


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#104999 Posted on 2017-05-15 22:19:44

I only use hay cubes when I buy horses as foals from the store. They get hay cubes until three, set to a discipline then converted to another. It's pricey, but it's a new system I'm using as an experiment.

In any other case? A huge no. I want my non-specialty stats to be as low as they can to have horses showing well. 


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#105020 Posted on 2017-05-16 09:08:48

I only use them on foals then when they are older I convert them to the specialty that I breed and show in. 


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#105041 Posted on 2017-05-16 13:53:13

normal treats give a max of 2 stats per day.
Hay cubes, a max or 4 per day.
peppermints a max of 6 per day.
So the only reason i can see someone using them is just the potential the boost in stats. (like whats been said above)

I will rarely if ever use them at all myself , and my only exception is with a contest foal for a club where, getting the highest stats possible is the goal, before the horse reaches 3 years. but i will still convert after age 3 to redistribute the points. 

I agree with whats been said above. Since ive switched my breeding program to be more show oriented, I stay away from horses that have been fed multi-stat treats. Low non specialty work best if you are planning to show the horse. I stick to feeding normal treats myself, because it does get expensive to convert every foal, and with careful breeding and showing high stats can be achieved ... just takes longer.

however i have noticed that, for some breeders all that matters is high stats and they don't plan on or don't show anyways, so it doesn't effect their game play.  thats why i enjoy this game so much, it can be played many different ways to fit each players style!


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#105115 Posted on 2017-05-17 01:16:28

ok so am I to understand that just willy- nilly giving treats is bad? and that giving certain treats to certain specialties is the best way to go?  


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#105143 Posted on 2017-05-17 08:10:45

@cinder80 
Willy-nilly giving treats is not "bad" in general, but it will affect your horse's show performance because one of the primary factors in shows is the amount of specialty stats. If you don't ever plan to show your horses and only plan to use the riding schools you can feed your horse whatever you want and have no problems. However, if you ever plan to show in the future or sell to the population that shows their horses it's more beneficial to focus on one of the treats for your horse's specialty, or do as stated above and swap the specialty before breeding. 


Personally I use single trait treats on anything that's not retired or only put in riding school, and use the multi-stat treats for those extra horses or sell them to players who want them. It's just a personal preference for me because I really like showing and am lazy so keeping a horse on a single treat it's whole life is much simpler than trying to remember to convert a specialty at a certain time or swap treats around.


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